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re: Alex Leatherwood...How in the world does Bama get guys like this to return?

Posted on 12/2/20 at 4:21 pm to
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
59078 posts
Posted on 12/2/20 at 4:21 pm to
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mo Chase should have played this year with his brothers and for this team when he knew we were breaking in a new QB.


First lets overlook the whole pandemic thing and that at the tine Chase opted out, it was no given the season would be played but this notion is such overromanticized crap

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If he was so worried about injury, then take out an insurance policy.



those policies don't work the way people think
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
70789 posts
Posted on 12/2/20 at 4:27 pm to
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As much $$$ as a rookie deal, then they stay



Yes, because LSU isn't paying players.
Posted by Brettesaurus Rex
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2009
38259 posts
Posted on 12/2/20 at 4:32 pm to
I mean It’s pretty simple.

We won the title last year, Bama didn’t. These draft eligible players will never have higher stock.
Posted by Brettesaurus Rex
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2009
38259 posts
Posted on 12/2/20 at 4:33 pm to
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Seems like our players could care less about LSU once they get here


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Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
47649 posts
Posted on 12/2/20 at 4:36 pm to
They don’t? How about Marcus Lattimore who never played a down in the NFL? He cashed in at just under 12 million before retiring and never played a snap in the league. You guys have invented a phony narrative that if a player gets hurt before being drafted he’ll never make a red cent and this mirror narrative that if they just get drafted they’re guaranteed 50-100 million dollars. Neither of those 2 things are true but it’s chanted by people like it is. The percentages of guys losing their entire career over an injury pre draft compared to the guys who fall through the cracks or go bankrupt coming out early are so far apart they’re not even comparable yet many here argue that the scenario which practically never happens is imminent. Another media creation fans have swallowed hook line and sinker.
This post was edited on 12/2/20 at 4:46 pm
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
59078 posts
Posted on 12/2/20 at 5:28 pm to
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You guys have invented a phony narrative that if a player gets hurt before being drafted he’ll never make a red cent and this mirror narrative


no, it is you that is inventing a narrative because i never said no one ever collected just that it doesn't work the way people think which is apparently that if you have insurance then its no loss so no big deal.

Also where did you get $12M for Lattimore? Everything i see on a quick google search says he had a policy for $1.7M and got a $301,000 signing bonus from SF

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This is the important quote

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Lattimore does have an insurance policy worth $1.7 million in the event of a career-ending injury according to Darren Rovell of ESPN (he was eligible in college for insurance that would have paid him up to $5 million).

Lattimore will get back some of the money he could have earned, but he still lost millions.


But that's my point, they may get some if its a career ender but its not this magic replacement like some make it out to be.

This article is a couple of years old and may have changed but Jaylon Smith for example, got 700K for his loss of value policy. Sounds good right? The total policy was for $7.2M for 4 years if he did not get an NFL offer, he was drafted #34 and was paid $6.5M, so what he collected was the difference, however the policy apparently had a "clawback" if he makes more than $7.2M, which he has, but even if he there wasn't a claw back, if he was drafted in the top 10 he stood to make around $20M so its still much less.

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But a clause in the policy states Smith must pay back that amount if his total compensation exceeds $7.2 million. That could easily happen when and if Smith gets to his second contract.

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This post was edited on 12/2/20 at 5:30 pm
Posted by lsusteve1
Member since Dec 2004
41861 posts
Posted on 12/2/20 at 6:47 pm to
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Bama can get these guys to return because they probably don’t oversell the NFL like we do. But also it coulda also just been because he was the 5th best OT last year at best and wanted to raise his draft stock potentially


Saban, that's the answer

Pretty awesome job by him considering he failed where these kids want to end up.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66368 posts
Posted on 12/2/20 at 6:55 pm to
Alabama has had 23 underclassmen drafted first three round of the last 4 drafts.

LSU has had 18.

Recruit the #1-2 class over and over again and guess what you always have good players .
This post was edited on 12/2/20 at 7:55 pm
Posted by TexasTiger88
Madisonville
Member since Jun 2010
1809 posts
Posted on 12/2/20 at 7:02 pm to
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Alabama has had 23 underclassmen drafted in the last 4 drafts.


Now do the number of draft eligible players from each team that have returned that would have been a top 3 round pick.

That difference isn’t even close. Just look at their stud players on their team this year. Most of them are juniors and seniors. Whereas the juniors and seniors on our team are some of the worst players.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66368 posts
Posted on 12/2/20 at 7:07 pm to
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Now do the number of draft eligible players from each team that have returned that would have been a top 3 round pick.


Alabama has had 8 players that were either 4th years players or JUCOs that played 2 taken in the first 3 rounds (2 first rounders)

LSU has had 9 in the first 3 rounds (2 first rounders)

You just talked out your arse.

We all just pretend Smith and Waddle were first rounders but they came back because they weren’t. Same with Harris.
This post was edited on 12/2/20 at 7:13 pm
Posted by Mithridates6
Member since Oct 2019
8220 posts
Posted on 12/2/20 at 7:19 pm to
A) it's a lot easier to go out on top like the LSU guys did. b) Bama usually does have a mass exodus of juniors, the difference is they are almost always predicted 1-2 round picks, not marginal guys like some of LSU's 2020 early entries
Posted by Old Money
Member since Sep 2012
36321 posts
Posted on 12/2/20 at 7:29 pm to
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If O ever wants to be on the level of Bama, OSU and Clemson then he will start having to do the same. He acts like it’s or the other. If you develop your players and coach them well for 4 years, they will get to the nfl and probably be drafted as high as possible.


Agree 110%. We need to market the 4 year process. We put so many players in the NFL we could easily change our direction.
Posted by TexasTiger88
Madisonville
Member since Jun 2010
1809 posts
Posted on 12/2/20 at 7:41 pm to
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LSU has had 9 in the first 3 rounds (2 first rounders)


Cool now out of those 9. Name me one that returned as a senior when he was projected to go in the top 3 rounds. If you are so confident then I’ll gladly eat crow once you name them.

Bama literally has 4 on this years team alone; Smith, Leatherwood, Harris and Moses.

LSU hasn’t had 4 seniors of that caliber return in the past 10 years. Like I said please name them.

I am mot counting players that didn’t break out until their senior year either.
This post was edited on 12/2/20 at 7:47 pm
Posted by GEAUXJack88
Member since Oct 2020
308 posts
Posted on 12/2/20 at 7:43 pm to
Exactly, Bama football is a way of life over there. Bama Football is Alabama politics.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66368 posts
Posted on 12/2/20 at 7:46 pm to
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Cool now out of those 9. Name me one that returned as a senior when he was projected to go in the top 3 rounds. If you are so confident then I’ll gladly eat crow once you name them.


Kristian Fulton
Tre White
Ethan Pocic
Kendall Beckwith (probably hurt himself coming back)

Arguably 4.

Alabama arguably has 4-5 before this year.
This post was edited on 12/2/20 at 7:57 pm
Posted by Mithridates6
Member since Oct 2019
8220 posts
Posted on 12/2/20 at 7:58 pm to
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Agree 110%. We need to market the 4 year process. We put so many players in the NFL we could easily change our direction.



Now that we have a recent championship, I expect that pivot. OSU, Bama, and Clemson barely have to try to get 4-5 stars to go there so they can turn away the ones that they think will not "buy-in" or will have character issues. Maybe they have just better information security, but you rarely hear about off the field problems with them. Maybe LSU is on their level now as far as recruiting. Georgia is on that level but they take any blue chip who wants to go, Kirby's strategy is quantity will make up for all the other issues.
Posted by Choupique19
The cheap seats
Member since Sep 2005
61763 posts
Posted on 12/2/20 at 7:58 pm to
Just this last year LSU had a player leave with another year of eligibility left and he went UN-FREAKING-DRAFTED. It’s a huge LSU problem.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66368 posts
Posted on 12/2/20 at 7:59 pm to
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he went UN-FREAKING-DRAFTED


Moss?

You mean the guy with the injury he didn’t know about?



This post was edited on 12/2/20 at 8:01 pm
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
39109 posts
Posted on 12/2/20 at 8:05 pm to
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when you oversell the NFL as a benefit, you can't be surprised when they disproportionately leave early

That’s not the difference maker. The difference is CASH. The only Bama gets first round draft choices, like Leatherwood and Devonta Smith, to stay is to pay them so much money that it’s a breakeven proposition.
Posted by Mithridates6
Member since Oct 2019
8220 posts
Posted on 12/2/20 at 8:12 pm to
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Moss?

You mean the guy with the injury he didn’t know about?


Dude the only reason Thaddeus was discussed as a draftable player was his family name: unathletic, mediocre blocker, 6'1" with short wingspan. Probably good for everyone involved that he went pro with Gilbert coming in though
This post was edited on 12/2/20 at 8:17 pm
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