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re: Alan Risher - Harris is late on too many of his throws but he can sling it
Posted on 10/6/15 at 7:34 pm to cfish140
Posted on 10/6/15 at 7:34 pm to cfish140
The Late thing is what's really hurting him besides his receivers drops. He's usually a half a second late on short to intermediate routes usually a lot more on deep routes. However, he does usually throw a very pretty ball.
This post was edited on 10/6/15 at 9:50 pm
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Posted on 10/6/15 at 7:44 pm to TrueTigerTale
He's never gonna be a Mett. It's just not in him - neither from a mechanics standpoint nor from an ability to go through his progressions. The coaches need to steer him toward becoming a JJ type of QB - and incorporate the option more into the game plan. I think we've run the option once this year - the first TD against Auburn (?).
Posted on 10/6/15 at 7:50 pm to nofear67
Dural dropped one and " I can not remember who it was", gave up on another one which landed on the end zone.
The receiver was never looking at the ball.
The receiver was never looking at the ball.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 7:51 pm to TNTigerman
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nor from an ability to go through his progressions.
What game are you watching where this is evident? I'm being completely serious.
Repeating a lazy "analysis" you heard on the Rant doesn't equate to any factual data.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 7:52 pm to White Tiger
quote:Made no sense? are you for real. Our trying to cram a passing game in there that we obviously don't have made it a ONE possession score in the 4th.
I guess we could debate whether the game plans should have pushed his learning curve more e.g. the second half of the EMU game. Not passing made no sense to me.
Yeah, keep slinging it with a QB that is 4 for 18 and already given the ball up, with a line that hasn't protected for shite, with WRs that acted like they would rather be at the mall.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 7:53 pm to TNTigerman
quote:If we could get JJ levels of production we would be blessed.
The coaches need to steer him toward becoming a JJ type of QB
Posted on 10/6/15 at 8:00 pm to slackster
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What game are you watching where this is evident? I'm being completely serious.
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Repeating a lazy "analysis" you heard on the Rant doesn't equate to any factual data.
He's late on his primary reads - so how is he going to hit a secondary or tertiary receiver?
Posted on 10/6/15 at 8:07 pm to TrueTigerTale
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Harris needs to focus on more than just one receiver on pass plays.
Maybe the most over looked point he made. If/when BH sees the field better he will find open receivers in the higher percentage pass range of 5-15 yards.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 8:11 pm to TNTigerman
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He's late on his primary reads - so how is he going to hit a secondary or tertiary receiver?
I'm genuinely curious how you are so convinced you know what the primary read is on every route.
Considering how little we get to see on TV, it is impossible to dissect that much of the passing game. However, against EMU, on a 3rd and 10 early in the game, we ran what appeared to be all go routes out of a 3 WR set with a TE - I could be wrong on the personnel. Anyway, ESPN had a great angle from the end zone that showed Harris starting off all the way to his left and working his way through two WRs on that side of the field before finding Jeter on the right side for a long gain.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 8:12 pm to lsu fan in Carencro
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Bottom line - don't rush the throw. Signed; (armchair quarterback).
I think part of the reason he rushes some of his throws is our offensive line is really, really bad at pass blocking and the pocket collapses astonishingly quickly.
Not sure why that makes him late on many throws, but maybe it plays into it.
Mettenberger was much improved his second year as a starter and made quick throws to guys before they were open, but who got open by the time the ball got there. Brandon will hopefully learn to recognize he can throw a player open (essentially).
I hope he can find Leonard out of the backfield in the future. Missed him a couple of times last game.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 8:16 pm to NorthTiger
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If/when BH sees the field better he will find open receivers in the higher percentage pass range of 5-15 yards
This sounds great on paper, but it isn't how it works in the real world. Every pass play has a primary read where the QB will check first. If that guy has a step on his man, or is going to be breaking into an open area, the QB is going to throw it there. There is no need to go through your progressions when you're primary guy is open. I agree that Harris has been late at times, and he has under thrown a few deep balls, but most of those guys have been open, so I've got no problem with the decisions.
Also, there have been very few passes that Harris has tried to force, which is a good indicator that he is making the right decisions. You can criticize his accuracy and you have a point, but Harris has proven that he has little issue finding the open guy.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 8:21 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:but it does have a lot wang to it.
He throws a flat ball, not a lot of air under it.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 8:28 pm to slackster
He throws to where the man is rather than where they are going to. This is a common shortcoming with young or inexperienced qb's. JJ did it his entire career. The under throws are more due to lack of reps as he has the arm to out throw the receiver but does not have an instinctual feel for the speed of the receiver. I hope it clicks in because he is very talented.
The receivers need to help him out by adjusting and catching the damn ball. They are not going to get many chances and they'd better make the most of them.
Time for Quinn on crossing patterns and some backs out of the backfield.
The receivers need to help him out by adjusting and catching the damn ball. They are not going to get many chances and they'd better make the most of them.
Time for Quinn on crossing patterns and some backs out of the backfield.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 8:29 pm to White Tiger
Being late is his main problem IMO
Posted on 10/6/15 at 8:46 pm to CamdenTiger
Posted on 10/6/15 at 8:50 pm to lsu fan in Carencro
I blame these QB camps that only teach QBs to "drive the ball" and don't teach them that sometimes you have to put touch on it.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 9:04 pm to CamdenTiger
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Being late is his main problem IMO
This, especially on the deep ball. I think he'll get the timing down. He's thinking too much about it right now. Can't wait to see him slinging it around.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 9:04 pm to slackster
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If/when BH sees the field better he will find open receivers in the higher percentage pass range of 5-15 yards
This sounds great on paper, but it isn't how it works in the real world. Every pass play has a primary read where the QB will check first. If that guy has a step on his man, or is going to be breaking into an open area, the QB is going to throw it there. There is no need to go through your progressions when you're primary guy is op
I agree with you if the first read is as you described. I'm talking about when the primary receiver is not clearly open. What Harries has to learn to do is make that split second decision and move on to the secondary receiver quicker.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 9:12 pm to TrueTigerTale
Yep I agree with all of that.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 9:14 pm to TigerDat
I'm pretty sure they coach them to hang it up there a bit. At least since they started making those silly PI calls when receivers slam on the brakes causing the unsuspecting DB to run right over him.
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