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re: After reading the story by Ross Dellenger - I feel better about Coach O than ever !
Posted on 3/9/18 at 9:48 am to TigerCliff777
Posted on 3/9/18 at 9:48 am to TigerCliff777
On balance, I am glad that O is doing what he wants with his staff and approach. Don't get me wrong, I would have preferred hiring a head coach with a proven track record, but we hired him. Now, in year two, it's truly his team, with his coaches. No excuses. I hope he can make it happen.
In terms of reasons for optimism, I will go with these: an offensive line that should be talented and reasonably deep; receivers that should be very athletic, if unproven; an Aranda-led defense that could be salty. I hope that Brennan earns the job (not given the job) because this team is going to have to throw the ball well to win 10+ and it sounds like he is the one best-suited to doing that.
In terms of reasons for optimism, I will go with these: an offensive line that should be talented and reasonably deep; receivers that should be very athletic, if unproven; an Aranda-led defense that could be salty. I hope that Brennan earns the job (not given the job) because this team is going to have to throw the ball well to win 10+ and it sounds like he is the one best-suited to doing that.
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Posted on 3/9/18 at 9:52 am to N.O. via West-Cal
No doubt. All great points. Even the biggest O detractors like myself have to admit there are some reasons for optimism. There just needs to be some leadership from coaches and players to pull all of the new moving parts together. Hopefully, O has learned from his mistakes and is ready to be that guy. We'll see.
Posted on 3/9/18 at 9:56 am to BayouCowboy
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Saban is successful because he has an army. Saban is a great coach, but it's the Bama machine that allows him to be great.
Right. Lord knows Saban was a shitty coach before all this shadow staff nonsense started.Posted on 3/9/18 at 9:57 am to TigerCliff777
Definitely a good read. And I do feel better about the program going forward.
Coach O has a solid plan, it seems. Hope he gets us rolling soon!
Coach O has a solid plan, it seems. Hope he gets us rolling soon!
Posted on 3/9/18 at 10:00 am to N.O. via West-Cal
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Now, in year two, it's truly his team, with his coaches. No excuses.
oh don't worry, the excuses have already started:
"new offensive coordinator"
"new QB and RB"
"hardest schedule in the country"
"if LSU goes 9-3 in 2018 that will be a huge success for O"
Posted on 3/9/18 at 10:00 am to UpToPar
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Right. Lord knows Saban was a shitty coach before all this shadow staff nonsense started.
He also has an amazing track record when it comes to hiring coaches.
Posted on 3/9/18 at 10:01 am to lsu2006
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Don't blame me for your own naivete
You can blame your parents for being like the Great Santini and making you Negatiger fricking fricks so negative b/c you can't deal with anticipation of adversity/loss/rejection.
Posted on 3/9/18 at 10:01 am to TigerCliff777
Yawn
Posted on 3/9/18 at 10:02 am to UpToPar
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Lord knows Saban was a shitty coach before all this shadow staff nonsense started.
seriously. who knew that the secret to Sabans success was him opening "Little Nickys School for Coaches Who Can't Coach Good and Want to Do Other Stuff Good Too"
Posted on 3/9/18 at 10:03 am to TigerLunatik
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He also has an amazing track record when it comes to hiring coaches.
Or, maybe he is an excellent mentor to young coaches. Coaching trees exist for a reason. It's not that those coaches are exceptional a spotting young coaching talent (although that's part of it). It's that those coaches are exceptional coaches that their assistants learn from and go on to be great coaches themselves.
Posted on 3/9/18 at 10:11 am to Dave England
Posted on 3/9/18 at 10:19 am to UpToPar
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Right. Lord knows Saban was a shitty coach before all this shadow staff nonsense started
Yeah, that's exactly what I said.
Saban's success is built around his meticulous attention to details, hence his support staff. He gets credit for requesting and using that resource. It's not a knock on him. It's smart business and Bama's willingness to provide those resources facilitates that success. Why don't you understand this?
I'm not saying this is the only reason he's successful. It's a piece of the puzzle.
Posted on 3/9/18 at 10:22 am to The Pirate King
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The facts are the facts - ed has assembled a really good staff, including support staff. It doesn’t take a football genius to realize that more bodies to share the workload is a good thing.
By ‘assembling’ you mean having an OC and a DC that were both on Les Miles staff... correct?
Posted on 3/9/18 at 10:24 am to BayouCowboy
How strong would you say Orgeron’s organizational skills and attention to details are? When you couple those with his ability to communicate he just seems like a guy that would be ultra successful in any work environment. Probably a CEO of a major company had he not decided to be a coach.
Posted on 3/9/18 at 10:27 am to BayouCowboy
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Saban's success is built around his meticulous attention to details, hence his support staff. He gets credit for requesting and using that resource. It's not a knock on him. It's smart business and Bama's willingness to provide those resources facilitates that success. Why don't you understand this?
Well, one reason why Saban's so good is that he innovated the practice of these large support staffs to a degree.
Orgeron's just copying, which isn't a criticism per se, especially if you add something to improve the idea or put your own spin on it in some way. But would he have had the foresight to do this before anyone else? He didn't. We can't even say what his philosophies are because he has no clear vision.
That's one reason why Orgeron isn't the guy to take down Saban. He's simply derivative. He has no original ideas, he's simply taking from others without improving on the design. We'll always be trying to catch up under him.
This post was edited on 3/9/18 at 10:31 am
Posted on 3/9/18 at 10:31 am to UpToPar
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maybe he is an excellent mentor to young coaches. Coaching trees exist for a reason. It's not that those coaches are exceptional a spotting young coaching talent (although that's part of it)
I think you're right on here. I just think about coaches like Fisher and Muschamp with Saban at LSU. His coordinators always seem to do well everywhere he's been. I think your mentor point is a great one though.
Posted on 3/9/18 at 10:32 am to TigerCliff777
OK so these are my two basic issues with coach O, and they contradict themselves and confuse me:
1. He has a good rep with some very good coaches and players. They tend to do, give him whatever he wants. Sure, entire D staff go chill with Pete Caroll et all. The fact that our WR coach is 78 and would still be hired in the NFL also blows my mind. If he was really bad at his job or tainted goods he would not have this rep.
2. I do not feel coach O has the overall quality control attributes you would want in an HC. Last year did not give me any confidence when mundane offensive plays were just inconsistent even 9 games in.
1. He has a good rep with some very good coaches and players. They tend to do, give him whatever he wants. Sure, entire D staff go chill with Pete Caroll et all. The fact that our WR coach is 78 and would still be hired in the NFL also blows my mind. If he was really bad at his job or tainted goods he would not have this rep.
2. I do not feel coach O has the overall quality control attributes you would want in an HC. Last year did not give me any confidence when mundane offensive plays were just inconsistent even 9 games in.
Posted on 3/9/18 at 10:34 am to MOT
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How strong would you say Orgeron’s organizational skills and attention to details are? When you couple those with his ability to communicate he just seems like a guy that would be ultra successful in any work environment. Probably a CEO of a major company had he not decided to be a coach.
I'm not an O supporter so we don't need to play this game. If he makes a positive move I will note it. If he frick's up I will note that as well. I've been openly critical of the recruiting fiasco and the mishandling of Canada along with other staff moves.
I get that there are posters on here that will crap on every move because they hate O, just like there are those that tout every move as magnificent because they feel some need to prop O up. I'm simply calling balls and strikes. You may not like my strike zone. So be it.
Posted on 3/9/18 at 10:35 am to Dave England
"oh don't worry, the excuses have already started:
"new offensive coordinator"
"new QB and RB"
"hardest schedule in the country"
"if LSU goes 9-3 in 2018 that will be a huge success for O""
Some may try to make excuses, but I don't think they will go over very well. This is his team now and he made some questionable judgments to get to this point. Either the Canada hire was bad or he overreacted in firing Canada and going with an unproven/possibly outdated OC in Ensminger.
However, I will say this: 9-3 with this schedule would hardly be a terminable offense, and I would say that regardless of who the coach is.
"new offensive coordinator"
"new QB and RB"
"hardest schedule in the country"
"if LSU goes 9-3 in 2018 that will be a huge success for O""
Some may try to make excuses, but I don't think they will go over very well. This is his team now and he made some questionable judgments to get to this point. Either the Canada hire was bad or he overreacted in firing Canada and going with an unproven/possibly outdated OC in Ensminger.
However, I will say this: 9-3 with this schedule would hardly be a terminable offense, and I would say that regardless of who the coach is.
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