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Posted on 5/14/18 at 8:37 pm to sicboy
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But you want to use 2013 vs 2012 as proof that we did occasionally develop a QB, but if you look at Cam's track record with our other QB's, you have to give most of the credit on Mett and for the simple fact that we actually had an offensive coordinator.
wait, you think Cam has been known for being a shite qb coach?
our other qbs were Anthony jennings and Brandon harris.
do i need to list all the qbs that give Cam credit for boosting their careers?
i think most people actually believe that Cam was developing qbs to run his offense. He wasnt. the offense we ran during his tenure at LSU was in no way his offense.
and of course it shows your bias that you dismiss the massive jump in qb play because it doesnt fit your opinion.
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Cameron's 1st NFL coaching assignment came as the Redskins' QB coach from 1994-96. While serving on Norv Turner's staff, Cameron oversaw the development of 1994 7th-round pick Gus Frerotte, who became a Pro Bowler (1996), and Trent Green, who served as the team's 3rd QB from 1995-96 before eventually becoming a 2-time Pro Bowl QB for Kansas City (2003, 2005), and later joining Cameron in Miami.
As San Diego's offensive coordinator from 2002-2006, Cameron launched an offensive attack that gave the Chargers the jolt they needed. The team led the NFL in scoring in 2006 and finished 3rd and 5th in that category in 2004 and 2005, respectively. Over those 3 seasons (2004-2006), the Chargers amassed 1,356 points, a figure surpassed only by the Indianapolis Colts (1,388 points), a difference of only 32 points over 48 games. In addition, Cam was instrumental in the development of Pro Bowl performers Brees, Rivers,
but yeah Cam cant develop qbs.
name another current sec assistant with anything close to that list.
look he didnt work out here but not developing Anthony jennings and Brandon harris( what have they done since leaving the shite coaching at lsu?) doesnt just erase his career where he won nfl offensive assistantof the year awards.
i myself blame Miles for not letting Cam run the air coryell.
This post was edited on 5/14/18 at 9:03 pm
Posted on 5/14/18 at 8:39 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Haha ... shite, Cam Cameron was a HEAD COACH in the NFL. The guy can coach. Period.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 8:44 pm to TigerLunatik
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It's an entirely different coaching staff
Is it?
Posted on 5/14/18 at 8:47 pm to moneyg
Well, it's a different head coach, OC, RB coach, WR coach, OL coach and TE coach. Other than that though....
Posted on 5/14/18 at 8:57 pm to Haughtonboy
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Les had 3 qbs start in the NFL
That statement sounds impressive till it just gets off the lips...
Yeah, that's an interesting, albeit deceptive, bit of trivia. Heck, our "Bring Back the Magic" HC Gerry DiNardo trumps Miles' "accomplishment" by having 3 QB's on the same team that played in the NFL. The 3 were Davey, Josh Booty and Nall.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 9:00 pm to RobbBobb
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And JL couldn't have scored 42 points against frickin' W Kentucky, and 52 against a (2-10) Ole Miss?
He had already posted 40 against #3 Oregon,
49 against NSU (and didn't take a snap in the entire 2nd half),
he had 98 yards against orgeron good god.
he had 130 yards against NSU.
November was our most productive offensive month and we played #2 bama at bama and #3 arky.
try again boy
This post was edited on 5/14/18 at 9:02 pm
Posted on 5/14/18 at 9:16 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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do you follow football?
Man, I love this response!
Nope, not at all. I only listen and read post from the Gods of Football, which is you.
What does the QB do again? Snaps the ball right? i only played Madden and NCAA
Posted on 5/15/18 at 12:16 am to c on z
Yup n AJ had ice water n his veins. He wasn’t always pretty but he was clutch as clutch can get. And when u have Rb n Defense like he always had as long as he made plays late they would win the few close games a year.
Posted on 5/15/18 at 5:16 am to Nexus of the Univers
quote:That's pretty dumb. You can say he was responsible for QBs. but I never saw QB coach on his CV, and Miles was a QB coach about as much as Saban and Eaux are.
I'm pretty sure two of the three QB's you're referring to were recruited and developed by Jimbo for 4 yrs. But sure, let's stick that feather in Miles cap.
This post was edited on 5/15/18 at 5:17 am
Posted on 5/15/18 at 7:44 am to 1999
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it's almost like LSU should have hired a proven qb devloper/offensive mind as head coach.
10 years ago?
Posted on 5/15/18 at 8:00 am to 1999
Steve Spurrier didn't do all that well at South Carolina. A great football team has to have all the bases covered. Recruiting, defense, offense, good play calling and game management along with decent special teams play.
Posted on 5/15/18 at 8:02 am to Tom Bronco
“While his offenses were not as prolific as they had been at Florida, Spurrier similarly brought the South Carolina program to unprecedented levels of success, leading the Gamecocks to three of the four 10-win seasons in program history, as well as the school's only 11-win seasons, top-10 poll finishes, and its only SEC Championship Game appearance.“
Oh and he’s the winningest coach in the programs history.
But please, continue to enlighten us with your prodigious football knowledge that a simple google search debunked.
Oh and he’s the winningest coach in the programs history.
But please, continue to enlighten us with your prodigious football knowledge that a simple google search debunked.
Posted on 5/15/18 at 8:22 am to Rickdaddy4188
Miles completely fricked the QB position. Six ways from Sunday as a matter of fact. As bad as he was, I firmly believe that the current regime is worse.
Posted on 5/15/18 at 9:39 am to RGJ18
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I agree other than Mett’s two years as QB. Still that’s too long ago.
No, other than Mett's senior year at QB. He was awful in 2012, especially in the first 8 games or so.
Posted on 5/15/18 at 10:04 am to lsusteve1
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Bama wins games with "Game Managing" QB's.
Who's been there best QB over the past 10 years, McCarron?
It's a lazy man's argument. What we DO lack is finding a system to make our QB's more successful.
Bama is the only school that can do that, because they are the only school that has Saban and INSANELY ludicrous talent. The #1 or #2 defense every year, a brick wall at OL and DL, 5 star beast RBs every year, highly ranked receiving talent every year (Julio, Cooper, Ridley, Howard), actual QB coaches (something LSU has neglected since Jimbo left), and willingness to adapt offense to fit QB playing style.
2012 218 pass ypg 31 TDs 3 int 67% cmp
2013 248.5 pass ypg 30 TDs 7 int 67% cmp
2014 280 pass ypg 32 TDs 10 int 64.3% cmp, 350 rush yards 7 TDs
2015 227 pass ypg 22 TDs 10 int 67.5% cmp, 75 rush yards 2 TDs
2016 210 pass ypg 26 TD 9 int 63.5% cmp, 950 rush yards 13 TD
2017 193 pass ypg 28 TD 3 int 62.5% cmp, 990 rush yards 10 TD
Bama averaged at least 28 passes per game from 2013-2016. They did not hide their QBs, they found different ways that worked best for them and the team. Bama became a running team with Hurts and won a championship. With Mccarron and Sims, they won a championship where they balanced. With a mediocre QB and average run game outside of Henry's heroics every once in a while, in 2015 they still won a championship.
Posted on 5/15/18 at 10:05 am to Rickdaddy4188
I notice how you purposely left out the AU game and the WVA game and the FLA game just to fit your agenda....... sad indeed.....
Posted on 5/15/18 at 10:14 am to H-Town Tiger
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Sweet all we have to do is hire the GOAT College coach have him recruit and sign the #1 class every year and we’ll be in bidness. BTW 2011 LSU was very good on the LOS how did that work out?
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The real lazy thinking is assuming you have to choose between the LOS and QB. The 2 are not mutually exclusive.
Besides Bama which is the ultimate outlier, look at other recent championship teams. 16 Clemson 13 Florida St 10 Auburn 08 Florida 05 Texas. What do they all have in common? And which of team was weak on the LOS
ETA: what changed the NCG this year between Bama and UGA?
They don't want to hear it. How many times have you heard an LSU fan say, "Man all we need is a game manager"? It's absurd, ridiculously absurd to believe that. The only school that can do that is Bama because they have the goat coach and #1 recruiting classes stacked years back.
LSU, like every other school without Nick Saban, needs a game breaker at QB.
Posted on 5/15/18 at 10:15 am to Rickdaddy4188
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November was our most productive offensive month and we played #2 bama at bama and #3 arky.
try again boy
And yet you failed (again) to show how productive JJ was against UGA and Bama in Dec and Jan. The reason Miles claimed he needed to switch to JJ
We didn't need to switch an undefeated QB out to get those shite numbers now did we?
But like I said, karma knows. And it came for Miles
Posted on 5/15/18 at 10:20 am to Datbayoubengal
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"Man all we need is a game manager"?
Hell. That would be an upgrade from what we've witnessed.
I think the phrase game manager has ended up with a shite connotation primarily because LSU has been calling guys with SEVERE limitations "game managers".
Game manager doesn't mean "guy who is kinda smart but wholly incompetent in key areas of playing the position".
Game manager is a guy like AJ McCarron who largely gives you what a QB is supposed to do but just doesn't happen to be a difference maker on his own.
I'll use baseball pitchers for comparison. You can win a lot of fricking games with a staff of guys where none are overpowering but they all have solid stuff. A lot of very good pitchers don't blow the other team's doors off.
WE seem to think that the guy with an ERA of 9.00 qualifies as a "game manager".
I'll settle for a solid 3.5
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