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re: 4th & 2 with 15s Left in the Half
Posted on 9/3/25 at 9:43 am to Salamander_Wilson
Posted on 9/3/25 at 9:43 am to Salamander_Wilson
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Kelly said yesterday that the analytics sheet told him to go for it
Is that what he’s calling Nuss now? Because Nuss refusing to come off the field and forcing a timeout was the biggest factor in his decision. Hopefully Nuss learned a lesson too.
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Posted on 9/3/25 at 9:48 am to Salamander_Wilson
There was never any doubt that he should have kicked the FG. You're on the road in a game that could well have been decided by 3 points or less. In the second half we would have been up by 3 instead of the game tied. I couldn't believe what I was seeing at the time and still think it was a bonehead decision not to take the easy points. Not to mention some halftime momentum.
Posted on 9/3/25 at 9:56 am to Salamander_Wilson
CBK/Sloan need to script those plays better. I would absolutely only have Durham and Anderson targeting to touch the ball (and not Sharp, Green or Hilton) no offense.
Posted on 9/3/25 at 10:01 am to misey94
It was 4th down. Throwing out the endzone would have turned the ball over.
Posted on 9/3/25 at 10:02 am to MJSTIGER
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It was 4th down. Throwing out the endzone would have turned the ball over.
That’s right. Would have had to get the first and clock it to do that.
Posted on 9/3/25 at 10:11 am to Salamander_Wilson
quote:You we’re probably screaming that there wasn’t enough time to run another play, which isn’t correct and isn’t what Kelly said.
I was screaming that at the TV in real time.
Posted on 9/3/25 at 10:12 am to Salamander_Wilson
There are a lot of similarities between Les Miles and Brian Kelly in this regard. Both questionable gametime decisions, poor clock management, and risky "go for broke" decisions.
Les had the benefit of good fortune early at LSU and it cost him his job at the tail end. Not the main reason, but one of the reasons. His inability to adjust to the game was his biggest issue and is what really separates him from Brian Kelly.
Obviously there are a lot more differences between the two, but I notice similar critiques in the risk/reward mentality they both seem to share.
Les had the benefit of good fortune early at LSU and it cost him his job at the tail end. Not the main reason, but one of the reasons. His inability to adjust to the game was his biggest issue and is what really separates him from Brian Kelly.
Obviously there are a lot more differences between the two, but I notice similar critiques in the risk/reward mentality they both seem to share.
Posted on 9/3/25 at 8:03 pm to 18handicap
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If it's life and death for you
non sequitur
noun
non se·?qui·?tur ?nän-'se-kw?-t?r also -?tu?r
Synonyms of non sequitur
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: an inference (see inference sense 1) that does not follow from the premises (see premise entry 1 sense 1)
And some mistakes, when sufficiently frequent, are indicative of a fundamental misunderstanding of things. If coaches truly understood analytics, they wouldn't so frequently misapply them.
Posted on 9/3/25 at 8:14 pm to Salamander_Wilson
Honestly he has made similar calls that have shown he fundamentally doesn't understand the strategy of the game that "analytics" arise . Not going for 2 against FSU ect. Several 4th down decisions. I honestly just find it kind of funny that a coach that gets paid that much to coach a game he has so little insight into. It's definitely something that could only happen in America.
This post was edited on 9/3/25 at 8:15 pm
Posted on 9/3/25 at 8:22 pm to SludgeFactory
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Worst mistake the entire game by the coaching staff with an otherwise perfect game plan.
and they all stood up and said...AMEN!
Posted on 9/3/25 at 8:35 pm to Salamander_Wilson
What these coaches need to remember is that "analytics" is a tool to aid in decision making, not the decision maker. If it makes it easier to remember: Analytics--a tool, not a rule.
Posted on 9/3/25 at 8:51 pm to Salamander_Wilson
The issue was the 50 seconds leading up to the play. Even though they were well away from the goal line, they showed no urgency getting down to score.
Posted on 9/3/25 at 8:56 pm to Morgus
Thanks for your insight Morgus.
Yours truly,
Chopsley
Yours truly,
Chopsley
Posted on 9/4/25 at 6:19 am to Salamander_Wilson
Doesn’t matter. We won
Posted on 9/4/25 at 6:24 am to Salamander_Wilson
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Is anyone else a bit concerned that our 10 million dollar coach didn’t understand that in the moment?
No. In years past, when the offense was leaps & bounds better than the defense, going for it became standard because you needed any extra points you could get. Also, it helps that two years ago, you had a Heisman-winning QB and an offense that couldn't be stopped. You go for it.
Now that BK knows he has a more-than-viable defense, kicking was his best option, and he acknowledges that.
Say what you want, but he has done a great job at changing course when shown/finding out something wasn't working.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 6:27 am to Shiftyplus1
He has done that in each opener and never converted and several regular season game opening drives. They think it’s builds momentum and team unity, which is correct if your team actually scores on it or converts…the problem has been he is like 0-6 on so. Far. And it kills momentum vs just take the 3 and go to half time!
Posted on 9/4/25 at 6:29 am to pbro62
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You always take the three on the road.
If your defense sucks like the last two seasons, and you have more than 10 seconds on the clock, then its an easy go for it scenario. This was not though
Posted on 9/4/25 at 6:31 am to LSUgrad88
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Very concerned. Because its was such a no-brainer to take the points and its not the first time he's butchered similar situations.
Please provide another example
Posted on 9/4/25 at 8:36 am to Salamander_Wilson
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Is anyone else a bit concerned that our 10 million dollar coach didn’t understand that in the moment?
No because I don't expect that situation to happen again. Also, it has been Brian Kelly's MO to go for it near the redzone on 4th down since arriving at LSU. Most of that is due to not trusting the defense and you have to end the drives in Touchdowns. But choosing to punt the ball on 4th and 5 from the 40 yd line was a good decision and one that I said live he was going to go for it because that has been what he has done while the LSU Head Coach. I think you will see him elect to take points a lot more often in that situation due to the defense we have and understanding we are going to get stops to score at other points in the game.
Lord have mercy. People always look to be concerned about something. You cannot enjoy a victory can you? There are a lot of things that the team needs to correct and improve on for the rest of the season but this time they were able to get a victory week 1 and correct the mistakes as opposed to a complete reset after week 1 while making the corrections. Geez Nick Saban just continues to be right about LSU fans always looking for a reason to be concerned.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 8:37 am to MOT
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You we’re probably screaming that there wasn’t enough time to run another play, which isn’t correct and isn’t what Kelly said.
No. I understand the situation and that had we converted we’d have another play.
I’m saying it wasn’t worth the risk of coming away with no points when even if we convert there is a far greater chance we have to kick a FG anyway than that we score a TD.
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