re: So what does O do to flip the script on recruiting

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O sold himself, specifically, on out-recruiting Bama

If he's not doing that, what the frick are we paying him elite HC money for? It ain't for actual coaching or coaching hires.

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dude, come on, what do you expect him to say? We're gonna get the 2nd best classes in the SEC behind Bama every year

I think you know I'm far from an O apologist and my concern about hiring him was that his ceiling was basically like 2018. and i've said he was very lucky with Burrow* because he was both available to play right away AND had 2 years but he got Burrow and gets the credit for that and the incredible 2019 season.

As for the OL/DL thing, as i tried to tell people during the Miles era is its not all on the coach. The state doesn't produce a ton of those guys on OL and you are recruiting against the GOAT. We had a lot of young guys on OL, we just have to hope they develop like the 2019 OL thought yes they could have done better this year.

One very big Miles issue that O has fixed is the QB recruiting. I know we were caught this year when Brennan got hurt having to play true freshman and that sucked at times but they have a pipeline going with the 2 last year Nussmeier this year and Howard after that.

*please note this is not to discredit O, its vey rare to get a guy that good that has 2 years left. O got him and get the credit like Jimbo is the one that got Jamies so he gets the credit for the National Title.

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It changed last year.

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no it didn't, we just beat them, they were still awesome

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Saban & bama are kicking everyone's butt,on the field & in recruiting, and, unfortunately will continue to be a force as long as he is there. But why is Coach O the only HC being held to his standards?

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Because, like it or not, Saban coached here. He still has a lot of connections here and knows that exploiting them hurts one of his school's main threats.

Don't get me wrong, he was a different guy when he was here. He was focused on moving on to take a shot at the NFL. He did a great job of permanently changing the way we do things, but with some important people, he had worn out his welcome with all of the NFL talk. At Alabama, the only talk you ever hear is the quadrennial Texas rumors (which are silly; Texas isn't anywhere close to being as good a job as Alabama.) He's settled in ways he never was at LSU.

GEAUX TIGERS!

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If he's not doing that, what the frick are we paying him elite HC money for? It ain't for actual coaching or coaching hires.

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We weren’t paying him elite money until he won a title. I don’t think last year alone justifies a huge raise considering how O sold himself, but it’s also pretty much expected in college football that any coach who makes the playoffs will get an extension and top 10 salary and anyone who wins a title will be top 5. LSU just did what everyone else does.

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The difference is in the margins every year, over and over again. We have to match Bama at THIS to match Bama as a program.

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There has been no program IN THE HISTORY OF CFB that matches what Bama is currently doing. When they moved to #1 after ND beat Clemson it was the 13th consecutive year they have spent at least 1 week at #1 in the AP, that is of course a record, the previous record was 7.

Miles failing wasn't that he couldn't match the greatest dynasty in the history of the sport. Its that he also was losing to multiple teams he should not. In 2015 if he beats Ark and OM at 11-1 we are in the discussion for the playoffs and at worst #5 going to the Sugar Bowl, if the "down" years (Im talking Regular season only, not bowls) between title runs are like 2004-2006 or 2010 and 2012 instead of 2013-2018 then that's reasonable, especially being in the same division with the GOAT and another program with a Natty and another appearance in the last decade.

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It is weird how the attitude of many on here was we needed to fire the previous coach because he wasn't putting out saban/bama level results and now these same people are accepting and making excuses for not achieving that level with the new coach.

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still butthurt over CLM getting fired...did you miss last year?

Who was coaching the powerhouse of the SEC west when Saban took over and surpassed LSU?

At least O was not left standing at the alter this year like what happened with the Surtain deal. He probably got wind that Earle was flipping and Davis wasn’t signing so he went out and got Nabers and Strong in their place to fill our needs. Gotta give O credit for that.

The only thing that really needs absolute fixing is bringing in top tier OL. All the other positions we are doing well with.

Going after the same kids as Bama just sucks. Saban is arguably the best to ever do it, and he's in our conference.

Clemson: Dabo has that part of the country on lock down to basically cherry pick who he wants. He gives them the good ole boy him haw routine and it works. Then he plays in a shitty ACC conference. Now their success gives them primetime games/coverage. They really only have a few big games a year counting playoffs.

The OSU: Has their neck of the woods locked up leaving the rest of the big 10 taking leftovers. Then they go out and put full court press on specific players mostly skill positions.

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Not only do we have to deal with the empire that Saban has built, but the entire conference has gotten ridiculous. We get the 4th ranked class nationally, which puts us 3rd in the conference. It was the same last year. The year before that, we were 5th nationally and 4th in the conference (3rd in our division).

This is frustrating and awesome all at the same time.

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that's a good way to put it

4th is awesome, but we're still 3rd in the SEC