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re: So D’Eriq King is officially in the transfer portal
Posted on 1/14/20 at 2:49 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 1/14/20 at 2:49 pm to Lester Earl
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I tell you what, you can deny history & trends & See where that gets you, Les Miles.
I'll raise you hyping up Jalen Hurts and ignoring his playoff performance.
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Posted on 1/14/20 at 2:51 pm to thunderbird1100
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And I never said otherwise, but again, a lot of Burrow's running plays were improvised off pass plays.
I know, I’m just reiterating your point that there is no indication, from HS to snaps this year, that Brennan will never run the ball.
I don’t expect to Brennan to be some dynamic runner, but he looks to have good enough wheels to take advantage of opportunities there, which is all we need him to do.
In fact I disagree with the premise that you want your QB to play a hero ball type game that King plays. It’s not successful in the long run, you have to be a more effective passer than runner to win a championship.
See what has happened to Lamar Jackson in some big games. Relied on to make big plays on his feet and when he can’t, you have no answers.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 2:53 pm to Lester Earl
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He was a 63% passer in his only full season
Did you even watch him at all that year? He wasn't almost ever throwing very difficult passes, pushing the ball downfield into coverage, throwing timing routes across middle of the field. Most of his throws downfield are to wide open guys (playing sh*t teams) you'll see if you watch tape on him.
He would be a way way worse passer in our offense being asked to constantly fit the ball into tight windows and downfield often against way better defenders. Having better offensive players gets way offset having to go against way better defensive players too. He's simply not a natural passer and has to use his running ability to improve things for him overall by a substantial amount, not unsimilar to Jalen Hurts at all.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 2:53 pm to thunderbird1100
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I'll raise you hyping up Jalen Hurts and ignoring his playoff performance.
What do you think that speaks to?
I’m trying to understand your point but I’m missing it
Posted on 1/14/20 at 2:54 pm to Lester Earl
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You are taking this personal aren’t you
That you are spouting off another lazy argument on TD
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I tell you what, you can deny history & trends
Such as HS stats and actual plays that have been run on the field?
Posted on 1/14/20 at 2:56 pm to Lester Earl
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What do you think that speaks to?
What King would AT BEST be like against good teams here. A guy who gets shut down passing the ball and at that point becomes 1 dimensional his running ability is overshadowed and it stalls the offense out.
in 4.5 playoff games Hurts' teams in the playoffs averaged less than 24 points a game on typically loaded offenses, and he was bad in almost all 5 games except 1 where he was merely mediocre.
This post was edited on 1/14/20 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 1/14/20 at 2:56 pm to thunderbird1100
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He wasn't almost ever throwing very difficult passes, pushing the ball downfield into coverage, throwing timing routes across middle of the field. Most of his throws downfield are to wide open guys (playing sh*t teams) you'll see if you watch tape on him.
Of course I’ve watched him
And my answer is so what?
He doesn’t have to fit balls into tight windows all the time. Wtf kind of narrative is this?
You play to his other strengths. Like Lamar Jackson he makes big plays that lead to TDS. I don’t really care how you get there,
A tight window throw on a scramble for 15 yards for joe burrow might be a 30yd scramble by King.
The threat of him running off of read option & RPOs is going to create a tremendous amount of big plays in both the passing game & running game. He simply is that dynamic. He doesn’t have to be a pin point passer. It’s ridiculous to get caught up in that cause I’m not sure Brennan can do that either.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 2:59 pm to OceanMan
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Such as HS stats
Lol I just can’t
Posted on 1/14/20 at 3:00 pm to Lester Earl
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Of course I’ve watched him
And my answer is so what?
You cant be this stupid. He obviously isn't going against crap defense after crap defense here. That's why it matters. To be a good passer in the SEC you HAVE to be able to beat tight coverage. You have to be able to make timing throws. You have to use the middle of the field.
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He doesn’t have to fit balls into tight windows all the time.
Did you even watch the NCG, did you just see our guys running wide open most of the time or did Burrow have to be pretty dman precise on many of his throws? How many times did Burrow skip his passes? How many times did he throw a completely uncatchable ball? This is what happens when you play a good defense, not all your guys will be running around with 5+ yard cushions all the time. You have to be able to put the ball on the money.
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You play to his other strengths. Like Lamar Jackson
He isn't Lamar Jackson. Stop comparing them. He's a poor man's Jalen Hurts. A guy who a good defense will shut down.
This post was edited on 1/14/20 at 3:02 pm
Posted on 1/14/20 at 3:04 pm to Lester Earl
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Lol I just can’t
Agreed
Posted on 1/14/20 at 3:04 pm to Lester Earl
Wouldn't mind bringing him in and using him like the saints use Taysom Hill...plus if a few juniors leave for the NFL that offensive line is gonna get young and inexperienced in a hurry...You may need two quarterbacks to get through a whole season...
Posted on 1/14/20 at 3:11 pm to thunderbird1100
And king isn't even hurts
Posted on 1/14/20 at 3:13 pm to thunderbird1100
Or you can be John plumlee
Posted on 1/14/20 at 3:21 pm to thunderbird1100
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did Burrow have to be pretty dman precise on many of his throws? How many times did Burrow skip his passes? How many times did he throw a completely uncatchable ball? This is what happens when you play a good defense, not all your guys will be running around with 5+ yard cushions all the time. You have to be able to put the ball on the money.
Burrow as good of a runner as he is, is not king. And yes he is a much better thrower which is why the offense as designed around him throwing the ball.
The dynamic running threat with your offense built around that opens things even more. This is a simple fact.
Lamar Jackson had 30 & 27 TD pass seasons b2b completing 56% of his passes. That is how that happens
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He isn't Lamar Jackson. Stop comparing them. He's a poor man's Jalen Hurts. A guy who a good defense will shut down.
You’re a guy who’s never looked at Lamar Jackson’s game logs have you?
Focus specifically on the three bowl games he played in against SEC teams
Yea no shite, good defenses shut you down when you are the only good player on your fricking offense lol.
You take your Myles Brennan & I’ll take these guys. It’s time to get caught up in 2020 college football. Les miles isn’t walking thru that door. This isn’t SEC defenses of old.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 3:25 pm to thunderbird1100
Dude don’t ever call me stupid lol. You remember arguing with me a few weeks ago about early entrees, you said there wouldn’t be a lot & then you ran to the 24/7 board and regurgitated the same thing I was just saying that you were arguing against? Gtfo with that weak arse shite man.
You take your Myles Brennan because he was an awesome HS QB and win your 8 or 9 games but I don’t want to hear you crying when he ain’t it. And king is at another school making a run at the Heisman. Cause that’s the kind of talent you want to pass by
You take your Myles Brennan because he was an awesome HS QB and win your 8 or 9 games but I don’t want to hear you crying when he ain’t it. And king is at another school making a run at the Heisman. Cause that’s the kind of talent you want to pass by
Posted on 1/14/20 at 3:29 pm to thunderbird1100
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Did you even watch him at all that year? He wasn't almost ever throwing very difficult passes, pushing the ball downfield into coverage, throwing timing routes across middle of the field.
Oh you mean like Jake Coker, Blake Sims, Tua , and Mack Jones? Works pretty well when you have superior athletes to the opponents. It's called adapting your offense to your personnel. Good OC's do that
Posted on 1/14/20 at 3:32 pm to Lester Earl
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Burrow as good of a runner as he is, is not king. And yes he is a much better thrower which is why the offense as designed around him throwing the ball.
The dynamic running threat with your offense built around that opens things even more. This is a simple fact.
It's almost like you continue to ignore the obvious here.
Passing is way way way way way more important than running. If you cannot beat the best teams with your arm it's going to be rough sledding these days. Jalen Hurts 5x over in the playoffs, 4 BAD games and 1 mediocre game, why? Super dynamic very good runner, right? Like a RB in the backfield. Couldn't be accurate enough with the football in tight windows. Couldn't throw enough catchable passes. No matter how much you are as a dynamic runner, if you cant throw, you're going to get shut down in the playoffs. This is why King would ultimately fail in that aspect. He's not a good enough passer.
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Yea no shite, good defenses shut you down when you are the only good player on your fricking offense lol.
how is this relevant at all? Jalen Hurts played on LOADED offenses and always got shut down in the playoffs. King played on a Houston teams with more talent than almost everyone they play against. It's entirely irrelevant. Also, why is Lamar being shut down HELPING your argument at all?
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You take your Myles Brennan & I’ll take these guys
Go ahead, take the guys who consistently have shown they cant do well when it matters, I'll take the recipe for at least success and see if the guy who can throw it and do it well enough to get us there. Have fun failing.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 3:34 pm to Lester Earl
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Dude don’t ever call me stupid lol. You remember arguing with me a few weeks ago about early entrees, you said there wouldn’t be a lot & then you ran to the 24/7 board and regurgitated the same thing I was just saying that you were arguing against? Gtfo with that weak arse shite man.
You really stupid, sorry, we all see it. And you just throw sh*t like this at the wall like this when your back is up against it.
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You take your Myles Brennan because he was an awesome HS QB and win your 8 or 9 games but I don’t want to hear you crying when he ain’t it. And king is at another school making a run at the Heisman. Cause that’s the kind of talent you want to pass by
Again you have your Jalen Hurts who will always fail in the games that matter, congrats.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 3:40 pm to Lester Earl
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You take your Myles Brennan because he was an awesome HS QB and win your 8 or 9 games but I don’t want to hear you crying when he ain’t it. And king is at another school making a run at the Heisman. Cause that’s the kind of talent you want to pass by
Heisman? Funny, I couldn't find him on this list. Myles Brennan is though.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 3:41 pm to Howyouluhdat
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Oh you mean like Jake Coker, Blake Sims, Tua , and Mack Jones? Works pretty well when you have superior athletes to the opponents. It's called adapting your offense to your personnel. Good OC's do that
Coker and Sims were mediocre QBs, Tua was a great QB. Not sure how you cant see a difference there. Coker and Sims weren't a part of great offenses either, so not sure why you even throw them in there. Jones has played in a few games and in his biggest one threw 2 pick sixes which decided the game basically.
Sure, you can ALWAYS help a QB out with good personnel and play calling, that doesnt mean it's not a heck of a lot better to just have a better QB who can throw the ball at will though.
It takes great QBing to win a title now, and not running the ball, but throwing it. You cant just limp dick your way to a title now with 2 playoff games.
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