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Realistic discussion/overview of this program (involves recruiting)
Posted on 11/9/24 at 11:16 pm
Posted on 11/9/24 at 11:16 pm
Typically the RB is more civil so let’s discuss.
Tonight, I think BK lost a lot of the faith and trust with this fanbase. However, BK is not going anywhere. The notion of firing him is not realistic. Yet.
Number 1 priority is to maintain this recruiting class. Yes, I think the 2025 class is the jump start to the playoff era for LSU. BK has to keep racking up these kind classes while locking down the state. Which he has done an excellent job of doing.
The defense while below standards is getting better. You have to remember from ‘20-22 we had 3 different DCs, and none of which did a lick of recruiting at the level needed. In reality those recruits should be your backbone of juniors and seniors, however we have transfers from lower tier schools and a young secondary.
However, the offense is inexcusable because there is talent on that side of the ball. If Underwood makes it to campus, and when he does, Sloan needs to be shown the door asap.
As time moves on a lot of questions will be answered
Tonight, I think BK lost a lot of the faith and trust with this fanbase. However, BK is not going anywhere. The notion of firing him is not realistic. Yet.
Number 1 priority is to maintain this recruiting class. Yes, I think the 2025 class is the jump start to the playoff era for LSU. BK has to keep racking up these kind classes while locking down the state. Which he has done an excellent job of doing.
The defense while below standards is getting better. You have to remember from ‘20-22 we had 3 different DCs, and none of which did a lick of recruiting at the level needed. In reality those recruits should be your backbone of juniors and seniors, however we have transfers from lower tier schools and a young secondary.
However, the offense is inexcusable because there is talent on that side of the ball. If Underwood makes it to campus, and when he does, Sloan needs to be shown the door asap.
As time moves on a lot of questions will be answered
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Posted on 11/10/24 at 12:02 am to Tigerbait1977
Sloan didn’t turn the ball over 3 times
Posted on 11/10/24 at 12:07 am to BlueTiger23
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Sloan didn’t turn the ball over 3 times
Sloan/Kelly want this offense. It was the same with denbrock.
Denbrock is a much better oc than Sloan but he had jd for the running game.
The oc/scheme must be changed imo.
Posted on 11/10/24 at 6:02 am to Tigerbait1977
quote:The most important question has been answered. BK is in over his head.
As time moves on a lot of questions will be answered
Posted on 11/10/24 at 7:48 am to Tigerbait1977
We are not as good as bama or UGA, but should have beat USC and A&M
Posted on 11/10/24 at 7:49 am to Tigerbait1977
just keep this in mind
The result of the game impacts the fan a whole lot more than the recruit.
The result of the game impacts the fan a whole lot more than the recruit.
Posted on 11/10/24 at 8:45 am to Tigerbait1977
As a more general comment, as many have noted, we’re deficient in talent in my positions.
We lack physicality on both sides of the ball, turn the ball over too often, don’t turn other teams over enough, can’t run, can’t stop the QB run, and just seem to have a lack of focus, especially in big games.
I’m as frustrated as everyone else right now and searching for answers, but the focus right now needs to be finishing the season strong and locking down the recruiting class we currently have.
We lack physicality on both sides of the ball, turn the ball over too often, don’t turn other teams over enough, can’t run, can’t stop the QB run, and just seem to have a lack of focus, especially in big games.
I’m as frustrated as everyone else right now and searching for answers, but the focus right now needs to be finishing the season strong and locking down the recruiting class we currently have.
Posted on 11/10/24 at 8:50 am to Tigerbait1977
Word is that we are getting Underwood because of Sloan, so don't think Sloan is going anywhere.
Posted on 11/10/24 at 10:23 am to Tigerbait1977
quote:
Number 1 priority is to maintain this recruiting class. Yes, I think the 2025 class is the jump start to the playoff era for LSU.
The issue is the talent we have is not being developed. Pushing all the chips in on the 25 class is great, but we're not going to win a championship with the lack of development we've had for the highly rated players on campus already.
Posted on 11/10/24 at 12:57 pm to Tigerbait1977
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However, the offense is inexcusable because there is talent on that side of the ball. If Underwood makes it to campus, and when he does, Sloan needs to be shown the door asap.
It’s not 5 years ago. A player can just abandon their signed LOI and leave now if a team pulls shite like that on them. You can’t trap players and then fire coaches.
Posted on 11/10/24 at 1:06 pm to Tigerbait1977
I am not simmering over Brian Kelly being fired, because if we don't take the next step with the talented 2024 and 25 classes Kelly will retire anyway.
Brian Kelly has made two monumental mistakes so far: he hired a clown car full of defensive assistants, and for whatever reason our talent evaluation for 22 and 23 were atrocious. Seems like we hit big with the 2024 class and the 2025 class looks incredible.
We need to offer Jahkeem Stewart and the crew equity in Cane's. We need the entire 2025 class as it is. I wish we could sign another top receiver, but Hankton couldn't convince a fatty to eat a fricking cheeseburger.
Brian Kelly has made two monumental mistakes so far: he hired a clown car full of defensive assistants, and for whatever reason our talent evaluation for 22 and 23 were atrocious. Seems like we hit big with the 2024 class and the 2025 class looks incredible.
We need to offer Jahkeem Stewart and the crew equity in Cane's. We need the entire 2025 class as it is. I wish we could sign another top receiver, but Hankton couldn't convince a fatty to eat a fricking cheeseburger.
Posted on 11/10/24 at 1:21 pm to SOL2
How did Vandy beat Bama, if we’re talking about recruiting level?
Coaching?
Coaching?
Posted on 11/10/24 at 1:56 pm to Tigerbait1977
Solid post except showing Sloan the door. Sloan has a lot of room to improve as a play caller but he isnt being shown the door. Underwood would decommit if Sloan left. Sloan loves Louisiana too.
We need to retain most of the staff for the sake of continuity.
We need to retain most of the staff for the sake of continuity.
Posted on 11/10/24 at 1:59 pm to Tigerbait1977
I 100% think that BK thought his schemes and ability to develop players would be enough to win big here. He found out quickly that is not the case and subsequently got rid of half his coaches and brought in some of the best coaches in the country both in development and recruiting. We are seeing some of the fruits of that with this upcoming class. It looks ( on paper ) like a group that will be competing for titles.
The defense, even with a completely patchworked dline, has improved. The offense however has taken a huge step back. IMO this is because of Nuss’s inexperience and the WR room suffering so many injuries that I really don’t think Nuss is comfortable throwing the ball to anyone but Lacey and he has underperformed this season.
So to sum up that word salad, the offense has taken steps back but I’m not sure how much of that is due to coaching and how much is just lack of personnel. Luckily there are 3 winnable games left on the schedule and if you finish with 10 wins then there will be positive momentum going into next year.
The defense, even with a completely patchworked dline, has improved. The offense however has taken a huge step back. IMO this is because of Nuss’s inexperience and the WR room suffering so many injuries that I really don’t think Nuss is comfortable throwing the ball to anyone but Lacey and he has underperformed this season.
So to sum up that word salad, the offense has taken steps back but I’m not sure how much of that is due to coaching and how much is just lack of personnel. Luckily there are 3 winnable games left on the schedule and if you finish with 10 wins then there will be positive momentum going into next year.
Posted on 11/10/24 at 2:00 pm to Chalkywhite84
quote:bullshite. Kelly and Sloan run the perfect offense for Underwood.
Sloan/Kelly want this offense. It was the same with denbrock.
Denbrock is a much better oc than Sloan but he had jd for the running game.
The oc/scheme must be changed imo.
Kelly inherited Nussmeier. Kelly was able to replace Nuss for two seasons with Daniels, but he wisely decided to go with Nuss this year to invest in the future with Underwood.
Posted on 11/10/24 at 2:00 pm to Chalkywhite84
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The oc/scheme must be changed imo.
Or just recruit QBs that fit the scheme
Every rb on the roster last year avg 5yds/carry and none were close to elite
Posted on 11/10/24 at 2:14 pm to The Pirate King
quote:The issue is not development. The issue is that Orgeron blew up the program, and left Kelly with a dumpster fire.
The issue is the talent we have is not being developed. Pushing all the chips in on the 25 class is great, but we're not going to win a championship with the lack of development we've had for the highly rated players on campus already.
Kelly is trying to coach with the Orgeron holdovers, but many of them are flat out terrible, and they are in critical areas for success. As Kelly's recruits filter up, LSU will perform better.
Kelly's recruits are only in their second year: Weeks, Durham, and Green can only do so much.
Posted on 11/10/24 at 4:13 pm to Midtiger farm
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Or just recruit QBs that fit the scheme
Every rb on the roster last year avg 5yds/carry and none were close to elite
It's not that simple. You aren't going to find a jayden daniels every yr. A qb that cab run as well as he cab throw.
Lsu is lucky to have Underwood. Just because you have a qb that can run doesn't mean you Have to run this arse offense.
Please tell me what is so great about the scheme. It's pretty bad. No easy yards or separation. No misdirection. It's just very bland and disjointed. I don't know how yall can't see it.
Then on top of the offense nuss has regressed in almost every way. He constantly backs up and throws off his back foot. Gets rattled. The o line has regressed.
Posted on 11/10/24 at 4:57 pm to Chalkywhite84
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The o line has regressed
The O-line was never good to begin with. So really they’re just even worse than they were before.
Posted on 11/10/24 at 10:57 pm to BlueTiger23
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Sloan didn’t turn the ball over 3 times
Imagine defending part of the problem because you’re incapable of nuance.
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