re: Question about Camar Wheaton

I never said Wheaton was a take (and he has been to campus at least). I simply said why we took “3-star” Clyde because we knew what we were getting.

I personally think Goodwin is the better back in this class, health pending.

For your info, the “staff” wasn’t high on Clyde. I heard a radio interview (can’t remember who it was) and he stated that Clyde wasn’t going to get a scholarship from LSU had it not been for Miles.

They were at an LSU camp and one of the LSU coaches told another (paraphrasing) “you better keep your eye on Miles, he’s over there with Clyde and he’s going to offer him. I’m telling you.” Ha!!

Fortunately for LSU Miles did, and the rest is history.

Imo to not trust Faulk’s ability to assess RB talent is asinine. Not to mention, no commit is accepted without O’s approval on the eval. I'd say most would trust an evaluation combo of O and Faulk over some website analyst. Nobody knows what they are looking for better than them.

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Man you nailed it, like we should trust some nobody, multi-super bowl winning , retired pro bowl running back from NFL, over these really really good recruiting services, who May or May not have scene these kids actually play.

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I’m not going to try to make some clever, yet smarmy reply. But have you seen Michael Jordan’s history of drafting and talent evaluating? Being a really good running back doesn’t necessarily mean that translates to evaluation of college RBs. And it’s been over 20 years since Faulk played CFB and probably a decade or so since his last NFL run.

I’m certainly not suggesting that the recruiting services are automatically better high school talent evaluators than KV. But they do have more experience. I think the best evaluators are likely college RB coaches who have been doing it for 10+ years or so.

That said, Faulk is not on an island here. I think Coach O has got this recruiting thing down to a science. I’m sure he, Ensminger, Linehan, etc...have consulted with Faulk and come up with a plan together. They no doubt have considered who they think will be gone to the NFL the next 2 seasons, who will remain, and how the next crop could compliment them and come up with the type of back they think fits best. So then Faulk and I’m sure several shadow staffers start to break down film to identify a list to target and consults with Coach O and the rest of the offensive staff.

My point is that there are checks and balances built in to the process. They aren’t just telling Faulk “Go find the best RB you can. Good luck.” It’s probably a very collaborative effort, and I trust this staff completely to identify, target, and eventually sign the right guys.

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You are The epitome of stupidity, Mr. English professor. You’ve probably never stepped foot in one class @ LSU nor go to games, but keep educating us on how “blind” Kevin is. Oh by the way Kiner is only averaging 12.7 yds Per carry and 5.2 TDS in first four games. Damn you Mr. Faulk for getting that scrub .

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Calm down buttercup. Kiner plays against terrible competition compared to Wheaton. It's a fact, im not knocking Kiner. I just think Wheaton is better

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Or do we grade RBs for next cycle higher and do not want to risk them not committing because of room?

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I'd be absolutely shocked if this were the case. By the time the 2022 class gets on campus we could conceivably be down to 2 total RBs (true freshman kiner being one of them) on the roster. In terms of actual good players in the short-term, we have a lot of depth at RB (3 guys who should all be very good this season)--but in terms of total, long-term RB depth we are paper thin. We only have one scholarship RB guaranteed to be on the team after the 2021 season (plus a kid who hasn't signed yet and will be a true freshman), so I'd be shocked if we were choosing not to push hard for a RB because we were worried about scaring future kids away with depth. Imo we should be pushing hard for a second RB in the 2021 class.

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Faulk cant be that blind to think Kiner is better

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I tend to trust his evaluation of running backs over a message board posters.

Ok then who should we take based on the criteria you laid out, no strictly film evals? Logan Diggs, Hargrove? They're the only ones conceivably "known" by our staff. Goodwin didn't camp here either. He's been to campus but you know the kids don't work out on normal visits right?
Hargrove is a good example for your points about recruiting services being better than Faulk at evals. He's ranked higher than Kiner on 247 and yet we don't want him. Why? Isnt it conceivable that we know enough about him to make the decision that he's not good enough, or at the very least better than Kiner? Diggs is going to ND and by all accounts our staff believes "he's not good enough for LSU".
I like Goodwin as well but it seems he doesn't want us. Can't take kids that don't want to come here.

I've said it before and will again, when prospects play lower levels of competition, which isn't in their control, all that's asked is that they dominate. Kiner dominates weekly.

As for your point about OSU not taking Kiner, they've got the top back(imo and 247s) in the country committed and the too apb committed in Pryor. They just hit big and didn't have to go down the board.
We didn't want Major Burns, should UGA have not taken him? Adrian Early starts at T for Oklahoma, we didn't want him. Should Oklahoma have not taken him? Goodwin, your favorite RB, isn't wanted by Bama so does that mean we shouldn't take him? I can go on and on. It's ok to be wrong or at least have the wrong reasoning in a debate.

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Faulk cant be that blind to think Kiner is better

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I trust Faulk over recruiting services basing rankings on last years performances. I like 5*s for bragging rights and see no reason not to push for a second rb ( we only have 4 scholarship guys) especially if he is that highly regarded but I'm sure they have their reasons.

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I trust Faulk over recruiting services basing rankings on last years performances

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What do you think Faulk is basing his rankings on? Kiner has been committed since May

maybe Wheaton just wants the attention and Kiner has already committed. I would take the one who’s already committed. Bc you don’t wanna end up like losing both.