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re: QB Dominos falling...where does LSU stand?
Posted on 5/16/12 at 3:28 pm to dljtigers
Posted on 5/16/12 at 3:28 pm to dljtigers
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The fact that none of them worked out.
That's called 20/20 hindsight genius. Outside of that, there is nothing wrong with any of those signings.
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It has been 4 years since we had decent QB play. You can make excuses but its a fact
No kidding Capt Obvious and who is making excuses? I'm saying you need to sign at least 1 QB in EVERY class because it is by far the hardest position to evaluate. Too many variable go into a kid being a good QB and the bust rate is very high. The problem wasn't that they didn't properly evaluate J Lee of Jefferson, those were 4* kids. Most teams would have taken them. The problem is we didn't have a QB in the class of 04 or 06. They missed again in 09 and 10 signed 1 guy everyone knew was a good chance to play MLB.
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Posted on 5/16/12 at 3:30 pm to H-Town Tiger
i have said before that I have a hard time believing we just fricking missed on a whole bunch of guys. a lot probably had to do with poor coaching.
Posted on 5/16/12 at 3:34 pm to Elleshoe
Gotcha, I just knew he was at ESJ.
I'm sure he was a jack wagon even then, but I'm sure some other guys we have that are good players have shite like that also. Only with our good friend 20/20 hindsight in a lot of cases can we determine if stuff like that is just a youthful indiscresion or a pattern of thuggery.
bottom line, it was agood signing that didn't work out. would not have been as big an issue if we signed someone in 2006 and or 2 guys in 2007.
Now, by 2007 signing day, it was obvious he was a timebomb and you know we have no one else after that season, so its really stupid to only sign 1 guy in 2007 and 2008.
I'm sure he was a jack wagon even then, but I'm sure some other guys we have that are good players have shite like that also. Only with our good friend 20/20 hindsight in a lot of cases can we determine if stuff like that is just a youthful indiscresion or a pattern of thuggery.
bottom line, it was agood signing that didn't work out. would not have been as big an issue if we signed someone in 2006 and or 2 guys in 2007.
Now, by 2007 signing day, it was obvious he was a timebomb and you know we have no one else after that season, so its really stupid to only sign 1 guy in 2007 and 2008.
Posted on 5/16/12 at 3:35 pm to Elleshoe
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I have a hard time believing we just fricking missed on a whole bunch of guys. a lot probably had to do with poor coaching
I agree with this.
ETA: part of coaching is evaluation, so maybe its a combo of guys not working out and missing something in the eval with guys like Garrett.
We'll never know what Z Lee would have done and of course we'll see about Z M
This post was edited on 5/16/12 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 5/16/12 at 4:25 pm to Tompy45
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QB Dominos falling...
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With Bateman to Bama who is left?
Which dominos other than Bateman? (I'm asking seriously because I don't follow this recruiting stuff as closely as some of you guys).
Posted on 5/16/12 at 4:31 pm to Tiger Authority
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He presents us with additional depth at quarterback
Meh, true...
That's about all. Randall and Rivers will get on the field before him if others in front are hurt. Unless, for some reason, Miles gets an insane crush on Liggins like he had on Jefferson.
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Why can't he be a good quarterback?
Why couldn't Jefferson? Some people just can't. I mean, technically, he could, but that wouldn't make him any good.
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Sure. And he can play quarterback.
Anyone "can" play quarterback.
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Don't you have some female posters to accost or something?
Yup, just as I thought. You can't have a decent coversation without throwing shite like this out for zero reason. Pathetic.
Posted on 5/16/12 at 4:39 pm to H-Town Tiger
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i really wish people like you would stick to the rant. Recruits do you see things the same way as fans. Your whole "point" is stupid and plenty of underclassmen have played over seniors. Hell, Ridley left early because he knew he was going to get past on the depth chart.
the qb play stupid / look back at Russell? Flynn may have led us all the way, look at the Miami game, and then eventually did lead to NC the next year. Metteberger should have been plugged in at some point this past year.
Posted on 5/16/12 at 5:11 pm to bdnc
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the qb play stupid / look back at Russell? Flynn may have led us all the way, look at the Miami game, and then eventually did lead to NC the next year
You realize we had the same amount of loses in 2007 with Flynn as we did in 2006 with Russell? And that Russell played a hell of a lot better statiscically than Flynn? Or that Flynn had the same amount of wins. Maybe if we had played Flynn in 2006 he could have engineered an extra loss for Florida and Michigan the way he managed to get West Va and Mizzo to lose in 2007. I can tell from your brilliant post that the concept of circumstances well beyond the QB's control helped us win in 2007, is something that's never occured to you.
I stand by my original comment. Please remain on the rant.
This post was edited on 5/16/12 at 5:12 pm
Posted on 5/16/12 at 5:18 pm to Elleshoe
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Hope Liggins has made a commitment to rounding into shape.
Posted on 5/16/12 at 5:22 pm to H-Town Tiger
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The problem is we didn't have a QB in the class of 04 or 06. They missed again in 09 and 10 signed 1 guy everyone knew was a good chance to play MLB.
Russell Shepard was a 5* QB signed in 09.
Posted on 5/16/12 at 9:41 pm to H-Town Tiger
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No kidding Capt Obvious and who is making excuses?
Your making excuses with that 20/20 crap. Coaches are paid to bring in talent and coach them up. It has not happened at the QB position, so those signings were inadequate.
Outside of the QB play Les has done a good job. It just happens to be an important position--Capt. Obvious.
Posted on 5/16/12 at 10:25 pm to Elleshoe
I thought the problem with Liggins is that he is round.
Posted on 5/16/12 at 11:09 pm to H-Town Tiger
Totally different situation playing QB in the PAC whatever vs. the SEC. You can come up with a gimmic offense to work in PAC-12 that would get killed in the SEC.
Posted on 5/17/12 at 1:19 am to H-Town Tiger
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I disagree with you somewhat. Look at Dennis Dixon after GC left. And who know how much working with a better QB coach could have help with JJ or Lee.
See previous post--SEC defense > PAC-12 defense.
Posted on 5/17/12 at 1:45 am to Elleshoe
you also left off ware, he was a high school QB in ohio.
LSU does a good job of signing quality RB's and WR's, just not on QB's lately (except for mett)
LSU does a good job of signing quality RB's and WR's, just not on QB's lately (except for mett)
Posted on 5/17/12 at 2:15 am to dljtigers
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Your making excuses with that 20/20 crap. Coaches are paid to bring in talent and coach them up. It has not happened at the QB position, so those signings were inadequate.
Outside of the QB play Les has done a good job. It just happens to be an important position--Capt. Obvious.
People are saying that we have trouble pulling highly ranked quarterbacks with this staff. All H-Town Tiger is saying is that we have pulled highly ranked guys, but some off the wall shite you can't account for, along with misevaluation (by EVERYONE really) has had a negative effect on us.
Posted on 5/17/12 at 2:33 am to SohCahToa
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People are saying that we have trouble pulling highly ranked quarterbacks with this staff. All H-Town Tiger is saying is that we have pulled highly ranked guys, but some off the wall shite you can't account for, along with misevaluation (by EVERYONE really) has had a negative effect on us.
All I am saying is that for 1 or 2 years it is understandable that unforeseen circumstances happen. However when you go 4 years without improving your most important position it is a glaring error.
Les has done a good job recruiting everywhere but QB. With Mett it seems he has finally got us moving in the right direction--but it did take FOUR years--thats a long time in college football.
What I do like about Les is he always seems to figure out how to correct a problem---I just thought it could be a little more timely.
Posted on 5/17/12 at 10:34 am to dljtigers
Well here we are, again. For those who follow recruiting this really is familiar territory.
It's not a coincidence this staff has difficulty recruiting Qb's.
Putting all the chips in the Shepard, ZLee basket was very risky. Ware was recruited and signed as a RB so should not be considered a qb.
It's not a coincidence this staff has difficulty recruiting Qb's.
Putting all the chips in the Shepard, ZLee basket was very risky. Ware was recruited and signed as a RB so should not be considered a qb.
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