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re: MBB Offseason '25 Transfer Portal Tracker
Posted on 4/23/25 at 9:24 am to thunderbird1100
Posted on 4/23/25 at 9:24 am to thunderbird1100
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He basically added nothing on the offensive end, he wasnt getting assists, and he was a bad defender, not sure where you are getitng he was good with defense. He had the worst defensive rating and DBPM on the team last season. Looking at other advanced stats he was near bottom of the league in defense as well.
He shot terrible from 3, from 2 even (31%) and 59% from the FT line.
Dude was just a bad player
He had some traits you could see in flashes, but he wasn't a guy good enough to essentially be the #2 (and sometimes starting) PG. Mike Williams, though he had his own flaws, was a guy who was much more active and more apt to make things happen...even if there was some "bad" in doing so.
In a different era Givens is a guy who takes a developmental path similar to Skylar Mays. A guy who had a lot of ups and downs as a freshman getting big minutes, but a solid player by year 4. Unfortunately, that era is gone.
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Posted on 4/23/25 at 9:29 am to mmcgrath
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Mike Williams is the only player who didn't improve at 3, but he was off most of the year. I wonder if he would give us a call as he hasn't found a landing spot and a good number of minutes just opened up.
I like Williams better than Givens. I never understood why he didn’t get more minutes.
Posted on 4/23/25 at 9:35 am to Lapaz
I see the breaking news I just saw was not breaking
This post was edited on 4/23/25 at 9:38 am
Posted on 4/23/25 at 9:37 am to Pnels08
I think Curt just wants more of a bigger role too. At the end of the day I feel like Dedan is gonna give us 30-35 mpg at point. I’m really high on Jalen Reece and think he can give us some decent minutes if for some reason we can’t get a more experienced backup. Reece has more to his game at this point than Curtis did coming out of high school.
Posted on 4/23/25 at 9:41 am to thunderbird1100
He was a true Freshman on a horrible team. Y’all acting like I thought he was a god. I can’t believe I thought he could get better
I think Reece is a better player than him, that’s why I always said I only think he can get backup mins as an off guard
I think Reece is a better player than him, that’s why I always said I only think he can get backup mins as an off guard
Posted on 4/23/25 at 10:42 am to LSUButt
Skylar mays was TO machine as a Freshman and couldn't finish a layup but developed over time and became an NBA player. It can happen.
Posted on 4/23/25 at 10:53 am to mcspufftiger7
Mays averaged 2.2 TO on 3.6 ast as a freshman. That’s a better TO/Ast ratio than Jeremiah Fears, who is about to be a top 10 pick as a PG… He also shot 45% from 2 that year, which isn’t good, but it’s almost 15% higher than Givens..
They really aren’t comparable.
They really aren’t comparable.
Posted on 4/23/25 at 12:06 pm to mmcgrath
Hit the nail on the head. Brune confirms Givens wanted a raise after seeing what rob miller got:
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Miller was contacted by a Big 10 team prior to the portal closing in hopes of luring him to their program for more NIL money. It’s common practice nowadays that players are contacted illegally, but the result is that Miller got a new deal to stay for his sophomore season at LSU. With Miller getting a bump in pay, Givens believed he was in line for a bump as well as he chose to stay instead of leave. The problem comes that LSU valued Miller more than Givens, so giving Givens that type of NIL increase was not something LSU wanted to do — especially considering the exorbitant amount they paid for their starting point guard, DJ Thomas.
Posted on 4/23/25 at 12:26 pm to tigersham
lol these kids have zero investment in their team. College athletics are so screwed
Posted on 4/23/25 at 12:39 pm to tigersham
I'm glad they told him to bounce. He wasn't worth more nil.
Posted on 4/23/25 at 12:53 pm to Tigerfan14
Freshman Skylar was worse than Angel Reese at layups. But he got better and better especially as an off guard.
Posted on 4/23/25 at 1:04 pm to S
This kid can definitely help the team. Under control smooth shot.
Posted on 4/23/25 at 1:20 pm to tigersham
Jealousy is a tough pill. Reminds me of when Stephon Marbrey got upset that Kevin Garnett got a bigger contract and forced a trade off the Timberwolves.
I also don't see his name in the portal yet. Wonder if he didn't go through with his threat.
ETA: He is there now, good luck I guess.
I also don't see his name in the portal yet. Wonder if he didn't go through with his threat.
ETA: He is there now, good luck I guess.
This post was edited on 4/23/25 at 5:08 pm
Posted on 4/23/25 at 1:40 pm to S
Bad shots and easy misses are just like turnovers. So that was included in my discussion about Mays freshman year. Point is players can improve but Givens wasn't worth paying more based on his freshman year.
Posted on 4/23/25 at 2:29 pm to mmcgrath
It has to be incredibly difficult to be a GM in a marketplace that has little certainty.
In pro sports once a contract is signed the team has some certainty as to how long a player will be with the team. There is no concern the guy will sign a contract, then a few months, if not weeks, later come back trying to leverage a new contract. The contracts also go to the league for approval. That means the teams and agents have a general idea of the actual marketplace and are not as susceptible to bluffing/posturing by agents.
In college a guy can sign a contract in March to stay...then 3 weeks later come back and say he wants more or he's entering the portal...and there is nothing the team/GM can do to stop him from entering the portal if his demands aren't met. Couple that with the fact there is no reasonable certainty as to what these guys are actually getting paid. It's all speculation and, mostly BS from the "agents". Many of whom aren't even certified agents. It literally can be a dad, uncle, friend. All these numbers people and they media throw around...Arkansas paid $5M, Kentucky is paying $10M, LSU paid $2M, someone might pay $20M!! is mostly bullshite fed by the agents. They know the numbers they are throwing out really can't be verified, so they are going to teams saying "this school offered my guy $4M...with very little proof, if any, verifying it.
I do think you might be the public sentiment starting to turn to the coaches/schools after the whole Nico situation. Almost unanimously, media and fans alike, including UT fans, agreed with UT's decision to tell Nico to hit the road. A few cycles of players overplaying their hands and getting stung having to go to a lesser program for less money may balance things a bit.
In pro sports once a contract is signed the team has some certainty as to how long a player will be with the team. There is no concern the guy will sign a contract, then a few months, if not weeks, later come back trying to leverage a new contract. The contracts also go to the league for approval. That means the teams and agents have a general idea of the actual marketplace and are not as susceptible to bluffing/posturing by agents.
In college a guy can sign a contract in March to stay...then 3 weeks later come back and say he wants more or he's entering the portal...and there is nothing the team/GM can do to stop him from entering the portal if his demands aren't met. Couple that with the fact there is no reasonable certainty as to what these guys are actually getting paid. It's all speculation and, mostly BS from the "agents". Many of whom aren't even certified agents. It literally can be a dad, uncle, friend. All these numbers people and they media throw around...Arkansas paid $5M, Kentucky is paying $10M, LSU paid $2M, someone might pay $20M!! is mostly bullshite fed by the agents. They know the numbers they are throwing out really can't be verified, so they are going to teams saying "this school offered my guy $4M...with very little proof, if any, verifying it.
I do think you might be the public sentiment starting to turn to the coaches/schools after the whole Nico situation. Almost unanimously, media and fans alike, including UT fans, agreed with UT's decision to tell Nico to hit the road. A few cycles of players overplaying their hands and getting stung having to go to a lesser program for less money may balance things a bit.
Posted on 4/23/25 at 2:34 pm to Alt26
CBS story
I don't agree. Some of these reporters are getting the numbers directly from the coaching staffs.
Plenty of guys have gotten 4 mil this cycle.I
Keep in mind, there are another 340 Division I schools to account for. If you're a high-major program and don't have at least $3 million (some would argue $4 million, at bare minimum) in NIL reserves in 2025, you're in trouble. There are easily more than a dozen mid-major schools with north of $2 million in their piggybanks promised to their 2025-26 rosters, per multiple sources at that level.
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All these numbers people and they media throw around...Arkansas paid $5M, Kentucky is paying $10M, LSU paid $2M, someone might pay $20M!! is mostly bullshite fed by the agents. They know the numbers they are throwing out really can't be verified, so they are going to teams saying "this school offered my guy $4M...with very little proof, if any, verifying it.
I don't agree. Some of these reporters are getting the numbers directly from the coaching staffs.
Plenty of guys have gotten 4 mil this cycle.I
Keep in mind, there are another 340 Division I schools to account for. If you're a high-major program and don't have at least $3 million (some would argue $4 million, at bare minimum) in NIL reserves in 2025, you're in trouble. There are easily more than a dozen mid-major schools with north of $2 million in their piggybanks promised to their 2025-26 rosters, per multiple sources at that level.
This post was edited on 4/23/25 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 4/23/25 at 3:06 pm to mmcgrath
I guess I get it because people will pay, but Givens thinking he is even close to as valuable as Miller is an insane thought
Posted on 4/23/25 at 4:15 pm to Chalkywhite84
That's a good article. But to my main point about the GMs
There are no formal offer sheets. The schools don't have to get the contracts approved by the NCAA. The agents are just throwing out bigger and bigger numbers to try to leverage desperate coaches.
This will be the most interesting legal battle soon....
You've already seen Arkansas's AD say they were going to pursue Nico Iamaleava's "buyout" for leaving Arkansas for UCLA.
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As one general manager at the Power Five level told me this week: "You can't even verify some of these numbers. What's real? What are we bidding against?"
There are no formal offer sheets. The schools don't have to get the contracts approved by the NCAA. The agents are just throwing out bigger and bigger numbers to try to leverage desperate coaches.
This will be the most interesting legal battle soon....
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More schools are trying to protect themselves with strict liability in these NIL deals. For example, there's another high-major player who signed a substantial NIL contract near the end of the season but subsequently went into the portal anyway, seeking an even bigger deal. One of his coaches told me they were bracing for this, even though pen was put to paper weeks ago. According to this coach, this player now owes the school "the entirety of a contract he hasn't received a dime of yet."
"They think we are bluffing," the coach said. "We are 100% holding them to the contract."
You've already seen Arkansas's AD say they were going to pursue Nico Iamaleava's "buyout" for leaving Arkansas for UCLA.
Posted on 4/23/25 at 4:52 pm to tigersham
The supposed number for Rob Miller was just north of $1M. Some crazy times we’re in for CBB
Posted on 4/23/25 at 5:15 pm to LSUButt
quote:Exactly. In part Miller is worth $1m, because his performance at the end of the year showed that he is. On the other hand, clearly Indiana set his worth with a large offer over what he was getting.
I guess I get it because people will pay, but Givens thinking he is even close to as valuable as Miller is an insane thought
To his credit Miller gave LSU a chance to counter offer. He and his family seem trustworthy and knowing where Indiana is i bet it was legit. Probably took less for him to stay.
But he had an offer that he had to consider. That is way different than Givens coming in and asking for more because Miller got a bump. I am pretty sure he didn't have some huge offer like Miller did.
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