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re: LSU basketball transfer portal watch

Posted on 4/10/23 at 12:43 pm to
Posted by jamarr
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Posted on 4/10/23 at 12:43 pm to
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There's analytics and then there's


i will take that as a no. KJ was poor defensively. in terms of net value for the team, both wright and cook are better than he is.

last year basically everyone on the team was poor except KJ and fountain, and those guys were not amazing.

KJ will not play in the NBA.
Posted by Lapaz
Member since Dec 2018
717 posts
Posted on 4/10/23 at 12:57 pm to
Since you subscribe to an analytics site, can you post the numbers for the guys we're losing, gaining, and potentially gaining?
Posted by jamarr
Member since Jul 2019
1112 posts
Posted on 4/10/23 at 1:05 pm to
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can you post the numbers


i can try, if i figure out how to do it




This post was edited on 4/10/23 at 1:08 pm
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 4/10/23 at 1:07 pm to
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hannibal was tiny. miller wasnt big.


What is your definition of "tiny"?

Miller was 6'3. That's average for a college guard. Hannibal was listed at 6'2". But I don't know if anyone would call him "tiny". He's built like a running back and was LSU's best player at attacking the rim. LSU wasn't running out sub 6'0 Anthony Hickey and Andre Stringer out there.

Hell, Alabama's top two guards were Sears (6'1) and Quinerly (6'1). They were ok offensively. LSU had decent size at the guard spot. They just got poor play.

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yes. i didnt say he was a scorer. he is a very good defender.


LSU hasn't played much defense over the last 5 years except for 21-22. Relative to the rest of him teammates he's been a good defender. But I don't know if I would go so far as to call him a game changing defender. I think people just labeled him that early on and assumed that was the case...even though it may not be.

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agreed but i meant and said add him to what the we already have (cook and wright) and thats amassive change (from hill and miller).


Cook is definitely an upgrade. I think the ceiling for Miller is higher. Unfortunately, he took a ton of bad shots last season that the coaching staff allowed. Wright will rebound. He will defend a bit. He'll also be inconsistent offensively. Upgrade? Maybe. Massive? I'm not ready to call it that just yet.

The point is it is silly to overreact to just a few transfers. Cook is a good player. Wright is a solid player. LSU will bring in others as well. But the roster was thought to be decent last year and we saw the results.
Posted by mcmaniacinsaneasylum
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Member since Feb 2023
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Posted on 4/10/23 at 1:08 pm to
Is that plus minus? Not surprised to see Mwani at the top tbh. Mwani is an impact player through and through. We really missed him this year. Sucks he was never healthy.
Posted by jamarr
Member since Jul 2019
1112 posts
Posted on 4/10/23 at 1:10 pm to
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it is silly to overreact to just a few transfers


two improved starters is big.

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What is your definition of "tiny"?


hill and hannibal. hayes and miller were skinny. jordan wright is 6'6 220
Posted by jamarr
Member since Jul 2019
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Posted on 4/10/23 at 1:13 pm to
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Mwani is an impact player


i agree. he plays within himself more than anyone. he shoots shots he can make. he never takes a bad shot, ever. he is very strong and plays hard defense.

Posted by jamarr
Member since Jul 2019
1112 posts
Posted on 4/10/23 at 1:15 pm to
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Is that plus minus?


OBPR: Offensive Bayesian Performance Rating reflects the offensive value a player brings to his team when he is on the court. This rating incorporates a player's individual efficiency stats and on-court play-by-play impact, and also accounts for the offensive strength of other teammates on the floor with him, along with the defensive strength of the opponent's players on the floor. OBPR is interpreted as the number of offensive points per 100 possessions above D1 average expected by the player's team if the player were on the court with 9 other average players. A higher rating is better.
DBPR: Defensive Bayesian Performance Rating reflects the defensive value a player brings to his team when he is on the court. This rating incorporates a player's individual efficiency stats and on-court play-by-play impact, and also accounts for the defensive strength of other teammates on the floor with him, along with the offensive strength of the opponent's players on the floor. DBPR is interpreted as the number of defensive points per 100 possessions better than (below) D1 average expected to be allowed by the player's team if the player were on the court with 9 other average players. A higher rating is better.
BPR: Bayesian Performance Rating is the sum of a player's OBPR and DBPR. This rating is the ultimate measure of a player's overall value to his team when he is on the floor. BPR is interpreted as the number of points per 100 possessions better than the opponent the player's team is expected to be if the player were on the court with 9 other average players. A higher rating is better.
Box OBPR: Box Offensive Bayesian Performance Rating is an estimate of a player's offensive value, based only on his individual stats. This serves as a prior starting point when calculating OBPR.
Box DBPR: Box Defensive Bayesian Performance Rating is an estimate of a player's defensive value, based only on his individual stats. This serves as a prior starting point when calculating DBPR.
Box BPR: Box Bayesian Performance Rating is the sum of a player's Box OBPR and Box DBPR. This rating is an estimate of a player's overall value, based only on his individual stats.
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 4/10/23 at 1:32 pm to
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i subscribe to an analytics site and it shows his defensive numbers are negative. you have numbers showing his defensive analytics to be good?



I didnt say he was good, I said he was average defensively

LINK

IT shows him to be 105.5 DRtg which compared to rest of team was on the better end but nothing good or special.

On his defensive box plus/minus he was slightly positive, but on the worse end of the team.

All in all, pretty average defensively, not "bad" necessarily.

Everything isnt good/bad excellent/sucks. Lot of people fall in middle ground area. Maybe he was below averae to be more specific but I wouldnt call him a total liability or something.
Posted by Stately
St. Jawj
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 4/10/23 at 1:35 pm to
Can you post the data for Will Baxter and Amaree Abram as well?
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 4/10/23 at 1:36 pm to
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jordan wright is 6'6 220



He's also not really a 2 guard, he'll probably play the 3 in place of Mwani who would turn into a defensive sub basically.

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What is your definition of "tiny"?


hill and hannibal.


Hannibal is anything but tiny, dude is like 6'1-6'2 and built like a D1 running back at 215 lbs. Hill definitely qualifies here, but Cook isnt any different height wise from Hill other than being thicker built size wise.

You should have just said Hill and Hannibal couldnt shoot, end of story.
Posted by Lapaz
Member since Dec 2018
717 posts
Posted on 4/10/23 at 1:36 pm to
Thanks for posting these. Can you also post Amaree Abram and Will Baker's numbers?

It's interesting that Wright has a better BPR than anyone from last year's team except for Mwani (2.90), and Wright's 2.53 is better than KJ's 2.37. I'm surprised to see that Cook only got a 2.03 and it was equal to Fountain's. I suppose that's because of Cook's negative DBPR.

Are the 2024 numbers projections? They're projecting Wright to improve to a 3.53 BPR in 2024? Do you know how they come up with that, and if they are good at projecting? Can you compare how they projected our guys last year to see if they hit the mark?
Posted by jamarr
Member since Jul 2019
1112 posts
Posted on 4/10/23 at 1:43 pm to
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Thanks for posting these. Can you also post Amaree Abram and Will Baker's numbers?


i can, but you may be able to see that as those guys are on the transfer portal listing that is available to non subscribers maybe

LINK

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Do you know how they come up with that, and if they are good at projecting?


i think the projections are decent, hard to know. i know they had uconn as awesome, and that worked out
This post was edited on 4/10/23 at 1:45 pm
Posted by Tigerfan14
Member since Jun 2014
1647 posts
Posted on 4/10/23 at 2:39 pm to
He’s averaged less than 4ppg his whole career. It would be a pretty big stretch to call him an impact player, especially as a perimeter defender. If he was scoring 4ppg but blocking 3 shots and grabbing 10 rebounds, I’d agree.

I’m a big analytics believer but they don’t always tell the whole story. This is a perfect example with our highest rated offensive player only averaging 2.6 ppg before his injury. It clearly isn’t taking volume in to account.
Posted by Lapaz
Member since Dec 2018
717 posts
Posted on 4/10/23 at 2:56 pm to
I'm disappointed by the rating for Amaree Abram that I found in EvanMiya. Amaree had a negative BPR last year.

One interesting thing I noticed is that Adam Miller had a 2.92 BPR in his 20-21 year with Illinois, with positives in both offense and defense, which is even higher than Mwani's 2.90. Now I hope we can persuade Miller to return even more than I did before, because that's the type of production that he is capable of if he isn't asked to be the focus of the offense. With Cook, Wright, and hopefully Baker, plus the returnees improving, he could be a good supporting player, instead of the focus. I think I'd rather get Miller back than to pick up Amaree.
Posted by LSUJockStrap
Member since May 2019
2017 posts
Posted on 4/10/23 at 2:58 pm to
I appreciate this thread, I really do. But at the same time, it seems that I am reading about players that are mostly going somewhere else. Nobody of any significance is coming to this downtrodden program for a few years, anyway
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
71489 posts
Posted on 4/10/23 at 3:08 pm to
quote:

I appreciate this thread, I really do. But at the same time, it seems that I am reading about players that are mostly going somewhere else. Nobody of any significance is coming to this downtrodden program for a few years, anyway



We got Jalen Cook and Jordan Wright already, are a lead school for the Nevada center, we arent going to get the majority or a ton more guys we're after, maybe a few more total. Just how the portal works, you cast a wide net, bring in guys for visits you can and hope to get the number of commitments to help you transform the team in our case. We culd have 3 commits from the portal pretty soon here, with a few more down the road.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 4/10/23 at 3:51 pm to
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Nobody of any significance is coming to this downtrodden program for a few years, anyway



Jalen cook is a 2x All AAC selection.

AAC is a tier 1 mid major conference.


Way better league than the Ohio Valley or Southland where they pulled kids from last year.
Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
21006 posts
Posted on 4/10/23 at 4:06 pm to
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Portal Targets
BJ Mack-Wofford
Nick Timberlake-Towson
Amaree Abram-Ole Miss
TJ Bamba-Washington State
Joe Girard-Syracuse
Will Baker-Nevada


quote:

Washington State transfer TJ Bamba will announce his college decision on April 14th.

Down to two schools: Georgia Tech and Villanova.
Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
21006 posts
Posted on 4/10/23 at 4:32 pm to
quote:

Portal Targets
BJ Mack-Wofford
Nick Timberlake-Towson
Amaree Abram-Ole Miss
TJ Bamba-Washington State
Joe Girard-Syracuse
Will Baker-Nevada


quote:

Syracuse transfer Joe Girard tells me that he will have in-home visits with the following programs:

Clemson
Notre Dame
BYU


He hasn't officially eliminated LSU but doesn't have a visit planned.
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