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re: Is there a worse recruiter in major college basketball than Trent Johnson?
Posted on 10/19/11 at 10:10 am to macaoidh
Posted on 10/19/11 at 10:10 am to macaoidh
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The point is that it's three weeks from Signing Day and we have no indication he's in good shape with anybody but Malik Morgan. We don't even have any reports of in-demand players taking official visits here.
I don't think it's going out on a limb to say this doesn't look like success. It's apples and oranges, sure, but Les Miles doesn't keep us in suspense on 80 percent of his signing class three weeks from National Signing Day. And while I absolutely am not going to suggest that we need John Brady back here - I was excited as hell when that change was made - Brady's recruiting activity was always a lot more pronounced than this and his results were usually a hell of a lot better than what Trent has given us so far.
The title of your thread is questioning if he's the worse recruiter in major college b.b..
You can change your point/title to is he one of the most secrative recruiters in b.b.. however, it's pretty silly to insinuate he is the worst recruiter in b.b. when you don't know who he's bringing in.
did you know he was recruiting or in good shape with Malik Morgan? answer is no. so it's silly to think he may not be in good shape with a few more quality players.
lastly, i don't need to know who and what kind of shape we are with certain recruits. All i care about is that he gets quality guys to turn the program around. so far, it appears he's upgraded the talent level from what was left behind after the chris johnson, temple, tasmin, ect. class.
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Posted on 10/19/11 at 10:25 am to Sid in Lakeshore
The problem right now is no one is going to commit without seeing how LSU performs on the court
You end up losing top players early and your another year behind in basketball recruiting
Basketball recruiting is a lot different than football, a lot of evaluation is done on the summer aau circuit and really most big schools are almost on the jr class now
You end up losing top players early and your another year behind in basketball recruiting
Basketball recruiting is a lot different than football, a lot of evaluation is done on the summer aau circuit and really most big schools are almost on the jr class now
Posted on 10/19/11 at 10:38 am to macaoidh
He made a HUGE mistake in not hiring Randy Livingston as an assistant. Livingston is an up and coming coach with a lot of sway in recruiting. He coached in the NBADL last year and did pretty well. He has great in roads in the new orleans area. However, TJ hired some other douche with no recruiting prowess. I hope whoever gets hired here next year gets Randy on staff.
Posted on 10/19/11 at 10:44 am to Geauxld Finger
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He made a HUGE mistake in not hiring Randy Livingston as an assistant. Livingston is an up and coming coach with a lot of sway in recruiting. He coached in the NBADL last year and did pretty well. He has great in roads in the new orleans area. However, TJ hired some other douche with no recruiting prowess. I hope whoever gets hired here next year gets Randy on staff.
I can get on board with a lot of the criticisms of Trent. However, not hiring Randy Livingston isn't one of them.
First of all, as has been discussed in detail in previous threads, he only recently got his degree and became eligible to be hired. He is a head coach in the NBADL. He appears to be on a pro coaching track. You say he has a lot of "sway" in recruiting? As far as I can tell, Randy Livingston has never recruited a single human being in his life.
It has never been proven that hiring him was even an option. There have been quotes from Randy where he said he would consider coaching at LSU one day, but not that he had applied and been turned down. The only proven time he has ever even discussed working for LSU is when Brady tried to hire him, but couldn't because he did not have a degree.
So, if LSU ever hired Randy, that would be great. I will be happy. But to insinuate that NOT hiring him has anything to do with LSU's current situation is ridiculous.
This post was edited on 10/19/11 at 10:47 am
Posted on 10/19/11 at 11:09 am to Bubba Hotep
Considering pay and job title, I don't think it is a lock that Livingston would or wouldn't have taken a job as an assistant here. Especially considering the fact that the coaching staff is on rocky ground. If you're Randy, why not hold out for a move like that?
I guess what I'm saying is, there's just as much reason to believe that Randy isn't on this staff because of his doing as there is to suggest that it's Trent's fault.
I guess what I'm saying is, there's just as much reason to believe that Randy isn't on this staff because of his doing as there is to suggest that it's Trent's fault.
Posted on 10/19/11 at 11:19 am to b rod lsu
That's what I'm saying as well. If he were hired, he would be the third assistant. I don't know if he was approached and/or offered. He may have turned LSU down.
It definitely appears he is on a track to be coaching in the NBA one day.
It definitely appears he is on a track to be coaching in the NBA one day.
Posted on 10/19/11 at 11:26 am to Bubba Hotep
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I don't think he is even close to being the worst recruiter, BTW.
Its not his recruiting, it's his coaching
Posted on 10/19/11 at 12:01 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
So you think the last 2 years we have been talented enough to compete in the SEC just lacked a good coach? How can you think either of those teams was talented enough to compete even in the SEC?
Posted on 10/19/11 at 12:48 pm to PortCityMadMan
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So you think the last 2 years we have been talented enough to compete in the SEC just lacked a good coach? How can you think either of those teams was talented enough to compete even in the SEC?
See Auburn last year. They outperformed LSU with less talent.
Posted on 10/19/11 at 1:19 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
So you based your opinion on one game?
Posted on 10/19/11 at 2:35 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
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See Auburn last year. They outperformed LSU with less talent.
not trying to jump of topic or flame but with the talent and recruits that state brings in what was their problem for missing the tournament and nit?
Posted on 10/19/11 at 3:58 pm to tigerbait2010
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Yeah, this is definitely not the feather in Alleva's cap. This hire could not have been worse.
Revisionists are awesome.
Posted on 10/20/11 at 4:31 pm to Tiger Authority
I have to say that at the time of the hire I thought Trent Johnson was a good one. As I began to read and so some research it certainly began to seem like he rode Montgomery's coat tails at Stanford in terms of talent inherited and when he left the talent was already starting to be less.
Then he coaches the ultra talented senior laden team here his first year and they do well, okay. Then the second year is a last place finish. Still cool, a mulligan if you will. Then last year there was no talent or improvement. So now, we see if he can bounce it back this year.
The point is this is not any better than the last place/first place yo yo that was John Brady and this is not what we paid 1.2 million for.
Then he coaches the ultra talented senior laden team here his first year and they do well, okay. Then the second year is a last place finish. Still cool, a mulligan if you will. Then last year there was no talent or improvement. So now, we see if he can bounce it back this year.
The point is this is not any better than the last place/first place yo yo that was John Brady and this is not what we paid 1.2 million for.
Posted on 10/20/11 at 4:39 pm to robg1124
He's obviously not going to get fired prior to this season, so why don't we just let it play out?
Posted on 10/21/11 at 12:04 am to GeorgeTheGreek
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Quite honestly, I think TJ struggles to recruit well because he doesn't cheat.
i think he struggles because he is a goddamn zombie. Seriously, he is so boring and nonchalant, who would want to play for him, especially if he isn't winning games.
you're talking 18 year old black kids. It is quite obvious he has trouble relating. And if you aren't winning with some kind of track record, you aren't going to pull shite.
Posted on 10/21/11 at 8:50 am to Lester Earl
I agree he is not going to be fired and that we should let it play out. I think Mac just brought up a great discussion point in regards to TJ and his lack of recruiting prowess so far during his LSU tenure.
For example, the baseball team had a rough year but the recruiting news is almost always so good that you know talent is coming into the program.
We don't get that in hoops right now.
For example, the baseball team had a rough year but the recruiting news is almost always so good that you know talent is coming into the program.
We don't get that in hoops right now.
Posted on 10/21/11 at 4:27 pm to robg1124
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For example, the baseball team had a rough year but the recruiting news is almost always so good that you know talent is coming into the program.
no comparison... lsu football might be in the top 5-10 in terms of recruiting advantages in the country, and lsu baseball is in the top 1-3. where would you put LSU basketball?
Posted on 10/21/11 at 7:02 pm to Lester Earl
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you're talking 18 year old black kids. It is quite obvious he has trouble relating
You think Stansbury relates better to young black kids?
Recruiting in basketball requires being able to network effectively in the AAU scene. Johnson has had trouble getting established in that area and because of it he seems to be at a disadvantage on every big recruit he chases. He needs to relate better to that group.
A stud recruiter who has inroads with the AAU programs would go a long way for TJ. But for some reason he has decided not to go that route.
Posted on 10/21/11 at 7:28 pm to moneyg
What was his rational for promoting the guy he did when he had an open spot on his staff? Was it him being loyal or other coaches were scared to come to a school where they could lose their job at the end of the season?
Posted on 10/22/11 at 11:38 am to Geauxld Finger
That is a great point about not hiring Randy Livingston--though I would have been content with any big name higher profile assistant who is an outstanding recruiter instead of bringing in low profile, medicore recruiters from Stanford as assistants like Trent did.
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