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How important are great recruiters?

Posted on 11/29/24 at 8:44 am
Posted by BTRtoIAH
Kingwood, TX
Member since May 2016
496 posts
Posted on 11/29/24 at 8:44 am
In this NIL world how important are all time recruiters? Think back about how important some of these coaches were solely on their recruiting skills. If these same guys don’t have endless NIL budgets they can’t be as effective if at all. It seems like it would be more important than ever before to have great talent evaluators to find players with big upside to fill a class knowing the top guys are basically up for bid.
Posted by JiminyCricket
Member since Jun 2017
5036 posts
Posted on 11/29/24 at 8:48 am to
I think great recruiters still do 2 things for you.


They get you in the door in many cases to even have the NIL discussion and they build relationships that can hopefully retain players if/when adversity hits.
Posted by FriedBolognaBiscuit
North Georgia Mountains
Member since Aug 2024
163 posts
Posted on 11/29/24 at 8:48 am to
Coaches that are recruiters are becoming less and less relevant. With the NIL era proving its money over everything a program just needs to hire top notch sales people assupport staff to just negotiate contract figures.

There is no loyalty in the NIL era to commitment.
Posted by ELTIGRE55
Kentucky
Member since Mar 2023
361 posts
Posted on 11/29/24 at 8:55 am to
Main thing now is coaches who coach up
Posted by SOL2
Dallas burbs
Member since Jan 2020
6176 posts
Posted on 11/29/24 at 9:06 am to
$$$are more important.
Posted by Amused Lurker
Atlanta
Member since Dec 2015
1855 posts
Posted on 11/29/24 at 9:23 am to
Every year, every player, either recruit or on your roster, is potentially a target for a program that has desperate needs. Those needs could be due to poor coaching at another school (Michigan, A&M, FSU), or the belief one or two players will get them over the hump (Ole Miss). LSU can’t and should not match desperation but build a deep roster with players that hit the field in their Junior or Senior year to minimize poaching. That changes recruiting philosophy. You may miss on a potential recruit but it gives you dry powder to protect and keep continuity in the Program which is likely going to keep you contending every year. LSU is building that now and I believe will get there soon. The key is to have good coaches who have proven records of developing players. They will recruit the type of players that will fit that program.
This post was edited on 11/29/24 at 9:26 am
Posted by geauxpurple
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2014
14761 posts
Posted on 11/29/24 at 9:56 am to
Frank Wilson belongs in the recruiting hall of fame but now it all comes down to one thing - money.
Posted by nwallb9
Member since Oct 2024
135 posts
Posted on 11/29/24 at 10:02 am to
Frank is LSU through and through. He’s bending over backwards to sign Stewart. But Woodward is the one throwing up road blocks left and right in this recruitment. He absolutely loathes the idea of paying 17 year olds millions of dollars and most of the time has a take it or leave attitude when it comes to these NIL deals.
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
37845 posts
Posted on 11/29/24 at 10:04 am to
They matter but not like they used to. Your main recruiter now should probably be a guy named Benjamin. Your other great recruiters will make the difference when the Benjamins are all close between teams for any guys who are solely ruled by money A guy who decides based on 1 mil vs 1.1 mil alone will never be wooed by an actual person or team potential.
Posted by One Arm Steve
Peach State
Member since Sep 2022
570 posts
Posted on 11/29/24 at 10:04 am to
quote:

Woodward is the one throwing up road blocks left and right in this recruitment. He absolutely loathes the idea of paying 17 year olds millions of dollars and most of the time has a take it or leave attitude when it comes to these NIL deals.


That's rich coming from the guy who throws around absurd money for coaching contracts
Posted by TheRouxGuru
Member since Nov 2019
11761 posts
Posted on 11/29/24 at 10:59 am to
quote:

But Woodward is the one throwing up road blocks left and right in this recruitment.


I doubt you answer this but….


How do you know this?
Posted by That LSU Guy
PVB
Member since Jul 2008
14077 posts
Posted on 11/29/24 at 12:08 pm to
quote:

But Woodward is the one throwing up road blocks left and right in this recruitment. He absolutely loathes the idea of paying 17 year olds millions of dollars and most of the time has a take it or leave attitude when it comes to these NIL deals.
Well, seeing how schools can't pay recruits, this just proves you don't have a clue as to what you're talking about.
Posted by GetmorewithLes
UK Basketball Fan
Member since Jan 2011
20948 posts
Posted on 11/29/24 at 12:36 pm to
quote:

Coaches that are recruiters are becoming less and less relevant.


bullshite. 80% of recruits do not have a bidding war going on for them. Also recruiters get people committed and then someone has to work real hard to pry them out. It is a hell of a lot harder to flp someone than it is to get them initially.

90% of the fanfare is about 10% of the recruits. These are the ones that we think are program changers... some are and some arent.
Posted by mpwilging
Punta Gorda Isles, Florida
Member since Jan 2011
8767 posts
Posted on 11/29/24 at 12:44 pm to
Hope you're right but not sure it's 80-90%. I've always thought the high high 4* and 5* guys were the majority of the larger NIL $$
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
132742 posts
Posted on 11/29/24 at 1:02 pm to
Our coaches did everything perfectly recruiting BU in terms of building relationships with BU and his family. The recruiting was top notch by LSU staff. Just couldn’t overcome the Godfather offer from Larry Ellison’s girlfriend/wife.

I believe LSU recruiting staff is very good. They win a lot more than they lose. It just hurts a lot when they lose because it’s usually the most high profile recruiting battles that are lost and they are not lost because of poor recruiting. They are lost due to getting out bid.
Posted by GetmorewithLes
UK Basketball Fan
Member since Jan 2011
20948 posts
Posted on 11/29/24 at 2:01 pm to
quote:

Hope you're right but not sure it's 80-90%. I've always thought the high high 4* and 5* guys were the majority of the larger NIL $$


I wont say I was analytical about it but more going on observation in general. And of course there is always the exception to any rule.
Posted by GetmorewithLes
UK Basketball Fan
Member since Jan 2011
20948 posts
Posted on 11/29/24 at 2:03 pm to
quote:

Our coaches did everything perfectly recruiting BU in terms of building relationships with BU and his family. The recruiting was top notch by LSU staff. Just couldn’t overcome the Godfather offer from Larry Ellison’s girlfriend/wife.


That is it in a nutshell. LSU cultivated BU for 2 yrs or more and just when the fruit was ripe for the picking it got poached.
Posted by Camo Tiger 337
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2014
2032 posts
Posted on 11/29/24 at 4:46 pm to
Even though the game has changed, I’d still rather a staff that’s full of great recruiters with skins on the wall than having to recruit against them week in and week out.
Posted by Woodman
Seattle WA
Member since Aug 2009
2297 posts
Posted on 11/29/24 at 5:00 pm to
Totally agree with the coaches who coach up. It seems CBK has placed as much emphasis on this circumstance than any other. To overcome the NIL hiccups, having a winning team of coaches in place for a long time is the key. They the recruits might pull their head out of the money and see that the long term development for the next level is worth so much more.
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