re: Eating lunch at the Boston yesterday in Amite

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Sure O can land him, but did you notice what happened to Ole Miss when they used Bama recruiting tactics?

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This. Blue bloods are allowed to get away with more. If upstart programs try to outdo them, they get hammered. This is what happened to SMU back in the day.

Bro you just can’t frick with honey chicken. Have you ever tried it?

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If we lost Sopsher, and other such as Moses, Mathis, Smith, Allen, out of state elite guys over the last few years, you're saying O is not responsible at all? Nothing to see here?

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What is the common thread with all of those guys? They chose Saban who has out recruited the whole country for the past 5 years. How many recruiting battles has Saban lost for a high profile guy who they coveted?

Not only that...
BUT HE HAS "SOFTENED THEM" with his NFL type practices...

His stance is "the players were beat up and tired on gameday"

Call me crazy, but WE ARE BEAT UP ON GAMEDAY, and in my opinion, he is NOT CREATING THE PUNISHING offensive line, and i believe it to be as a result of his nfl practice!!!

You PRACTICE SOFT, You PLAY SOFT.... our line is PATHETIC... Hell even Citadel scores on Bama

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but its just incorrect to label coach O as a failure in recruiting for losing one high profile recruit from Louisiana.

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no one used the word failure except you

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If you think this is a reflection on Coach O's recruiting, then you must've thought the same about Les Miles when the 2 Swilling kids from Brother Martin in NOLA chose Georgia Tech over LSU? However no person in their right mind who follows recruiting would say that Paul Johnson is a better recruiter than Les Miles!

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Miles had no shortage of recruiting gaffes.

its kinda the reason he no longer has a job. so that defeats your point.


to those asking what could O have done differently? maybe not claimed that he "understand(s) the expectations at LSU and I invite 'em".

the expectations are that you won't let Bama come in and take who they please. if you are okay with that, then there was no reason to get rid of Miles. period. end of discussion.

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How many recruiting battles has Saban lost for a high profile guy who they coveted?

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about 1-2 per year.

remember a guy named "leonard fournette" ?? "devin white" ?

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What do you mean you don’t understand the question? It’s simple. You’re accusing O of being a mediocre recruiter (while having a top 5 class ATM) and lambasting him for losing Sophser. If you accuse him of something, at least come up with something with what he should have done to land Sophser. Are you insinuating he hasn’t done enough? How do you know he hasn’t done what he can? You can’t MAKE a kid go somewhere, can you? According to all reports, O has been recruiting the hell out of Sophser. He was the first kid he went to see Sunday night. You have no proof nor argument to say that they aren’t doing what they can to land this kid. Only the same talking points from the Rant and then throwing a wet blanket on the entire class because Sophser just wants to go to Alabama.

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So, is Sopsher the only guy O lost to Bama? How is O any better than Miles was at recruiting? Why did we hire O? What does O bring to the table other than being an elite recruiter? If an elite recruiter can't recruit better than the guy he replaced and loses top talent to they guy you are trying to beat, perhaps you need a coach that is an elite tactician and developer of talent. Can you credibly say O is either of those?

No. It's not hard to comprehend at all. You are simply defining your terms so that you can argue LSU only lost one guy of importance to Bama during O's tenure. My point is that you are not painting an accurate picture.

So, no problem to address regarding Alabama and recruiting?

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If the new reality is no one can prevent Saban from poaching the state's top prospects every year, doesn't it suggest that our coach should be more of an elite tactician that can coach up talent and scheme at least one side of the ball as well or better than Bama?

If O is not an elite tactician and cannot recruit well enough to keep Bama from poaching our best players every year, how will he ever lead LSU to a championship?

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I agree with most of this. He IS a recruiter on the level of a Les Miles, but he sold both his ability to recruit and his willingness to make necessary changes in the program to bring the offense into the 21st century. He's done a good job of bringing in talent (can't really fault him for injuries and suspensions), but unfortunately his firing of Matt Canada (best OC at the time of the hire) and the hiring of Steve Ensminger (Les Miles' TE coach) did nothing to encourage the detractors and those on the fence.

Lets hope Ensminger can continue to adapt and run an offense that isn't based on downhill running and play action passes. Keep morphing into a spread that utilizes the whole field and puts stress on the defense horizontally and vertically.

I'm not trying to sugar coat anything. Defensive line recruiting should have been better this year. I've said it all throughout this thread. I just don't know what else Orgeron can do to get this particular guy.

I'm not ready to throw in the towel on this year, though. I'll reserve judgment until February, but, as of today, I'm disappointed.

As for your overall assessment of Orgeron's d line recruiting, I think he did very well in 2016. We got 2 top 10 and 3 top 20 DTs in Lawrence, Alexander and Logan. Logan, FWIW, was rated one spot lower than Quinnen Williams. Orgeron also salvaged an abysmal 2015 class by pulling Arden Key at the buzzer.

Other guys that he's gotten who I feel could be bright spots in the future are Farell & Shelvin. And, there are about 6 other guys who will be entering their second or third year with the team who could potentially develop into something. Do you know how many tackles Quinnen Williams had last year? Something like 20. This year, he's probably the best defensive player in the country. Guys can make big leaps between their first and second years getting playing time.