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re: Devin Pryor Commits (basketball)
Posted on 5/10/23 at 7:39 am to GeorgeTheGreek
Posted on 5/10/23 at 7:39 am to GeorgeTheGreek
The same sunshine pumping was evident last summer about McMahon and his "good" team composition. Even the media and gurus were relatively high on last year's team.
I hear the same stuff on this board that was written last year before the season started. We will have to wait another year or two to see if McMahon will be able to correct his coaching limitations and roster building. Time will tell.
I hear the same stuff on this board that was written last year before the season started. We will have to wait another year or two to see if McMahon will be able to correct his coaching limitations and roster building. Time will tell.
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Posted on 5/10/23 at 7:49 am to macaoidh
Totally agree. Mostly everyone wants McMahon to win and win big but it’s hard to see much changing next year.
Very likely not renewing my season tickets and if I do it’ll only be bc I want them for the following year when we have a new coach who can hopefully bring back the excitement and energy
Very likely not renewing my season tickets and if I do it’ll only be bc I want them for the following year when we have a new coach who can hopefully bring back the excitement and energy
Posted on 5/10/23 at 8:09 am to Bert Macklin FBI
who?
Posted on 5/10/23 at 8:40 am to macaoidh
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Pryor is a skinny 6-7 small forward whose tape consists of a whole bunch of running down the court and dunking. There isn't much of an outside shot, there's no evidence of a post-up game, it doesn't look like he's an especially good ball handler and if he plays defense at all it isn't in evidence.
The potential is evident from watching him play. He does have an outside game. He shot 31% on 3 pointers on 4/game.
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His stats are good, yet not great, but his shot looks smooth and he’s athletic. His highlights are largely showing off his best attribute, which is his athleticism, but they do include him shooting 3 pointers. There is a lot of potential there. He shoots 3s at 1:10, 1:47, 2:45, 2:58 and 3:04 in the following video:
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I see a developmental player with lots of upside. We’ll need to get some players that are more developed, but there are undeveloped players like Ja Morant that are worth the gamble if you see the rough diamond. I think Devin Pryor looks like a rough diamond. Often they never shine, but Devon’s floor seems pretty decent. In the worst case, I think he’ll give us defense and a few points.
Posted on 5/10/23 at 11:52 am to Lapaz
His first name is “Devon” if anyone was looking for highlights
Posted on 5/10/23 at 11:59 am to macaoidh
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Danny Hurley
Zero chance but gotta aim high right?
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Jim Larranaga
Wonder if he would’ve legit changed his name to Larraneauxga or something
Posted on 5/10/23 at 12:17 pm to S
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Zero chance but gotta aim high right?
Hurley, a NYC metro area native, is not leaving a perennial championship program in UConn to come to LSU.
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Wonder if he would’ve legit changed his name to Larraneauxga or something
Jim is in a place with zero pressure to win and a retirement community probably right outside his office windw.
The big fish LSU could legitimately go after would be Chris Beard. Building Ole Miss is not where he expected himself to be at this point in his career He needed and wanted to get back on the sidelines ASAP and credit Ole Miss, they took advantage. However, I'm pretty confident in saying Ole Miss is not a place he anticipates staying at for a long time. LSU would have the resources to lure him away from there, and I don't think it would be a ridiculously tough sell. The problem is that if he has any modicum of decent success at OM this season he will have plenty of major conference suitors at the end of the year.
Posted on 5/10/23 at 12:30 pm to macaoidh
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though I would point out that you bitching about people discussing LSU basketball recruiting in an LSU basketball recruiting thread is precisely the same thing you're bitching about.
But you aren't doing that. You are running to every basketball thread to bitch about a team and coach for a program that was basically nuked last year. Will Wade had to go and no coach was going to run the tables on the SEC with a team that had to be built in a few months.
Posted on 5/10/23 at 1:54 pm to mmcgrath
Thank you, there’s enough threads on the rant about McMahon now. I wanna see news on recruits and recruiting and not this negative bs every thread. I trust the A.D. will do what he needs to do if things don’t workout, but damn it’s only the second year and the sanctions haven’t even come down yet.
Posted on 5/10/23 at 2:36 pm to RydeRDie4La
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Thank you, there’s enough threads on the rant about McMahon now. I wanna see news on recruits and recruiting and not this negative bs every thread.
I don't think it is unreasonable to discuss the merits of a particular player, and whether or not that may be indicative of larger issues. It's great the kid has decided to commit to LSU. And hopefully his (currently) low ranking will continue to rise and he continues to develop as a player. Maybe in 6 months he is ranked among the top 100 and much of the negativity turns to positivity. But it is not unreasonable to see fans less than enthusiastic about a relatively unheralded commit to a program that was awful last year and signed an unremarkable HS class this season.
Were LSU a top 25 team last season there wouldn't be a ton of excitement about this commit. So it is not irrational to think the same should apply simply because LSU was bad last year.
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but damn it’s only the second year and the sanctions haven’t even come down yet.
The weak recruiting and performance last season is not due to the "looming sanctions". Fans care MUCH more about that than the players. If that wasn't the case, LSU would not have signed two top 70 recruits last season. First and foremost, guys want to go where they will be used at the highest rate possible to help get them to the ultimate destination...professional basketball. Of course they want the team to have success while doing so. But a player would MUCH rather have big individual numbers on a weak team than sit the bench for a great team. That's why a recruit like Anthony Edwards goes to a program like Georgia. From a team perspective UGA wasn't any good. But Edwards was.
LSU's struggles in recruiting this season are a DIRECT result of the poor play last season. No one looked good individually except KJ Williams. Which is why it is no surprise that the ONLY transfer LSU has brought in who is not from Louisiana (Will Baker) has a game similar to the only player who had success last season. Baker could have gone to other schools who had a better chance of winning or reaching the NCAAT. That includes just staying at Nevada who actually made the NCAAT this past season. But he wanted to play for a coach who may allow him/put him in position to have the same type of success as as similar player in KJ Williams....even if that likely means he will have less team success than he did last season.
There is a cloud of apathy and negativity around the basketball program right now, and no amount of demanding sunshine pumping is going to change that. Only winning will. That reality doesn't make for a lot of fun and happy discussion. But it's the truth. If you want positivity, then give people something to be positive about.
Posted on 5/10/23 at 2:52 pm to Lapaz
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I see a developmental player with lots of upside. We’ll need to get some players that are more developed, but there are undeveloped players like Ja Morant that are worth the gamble if you see the rough diamond. I think Devin Pryor looks like a rough diamond. Often they never shine, but Devon’s floor seems pretty decent. In the worst case, I think he’ll give us defense and a few points.
Devon will continue to fly up the rankings, its a huge pickup for LSU. This kid wasn't even ranked by any service up until a few weeks ago when the live period started. He came from nowhere. It took one tournament for him to get offers from Texas aTm, Oklahoma State, Virginia Tech, LSU and Colorado. He will more than likely fly up into the top 150 range by end of summer and by the time he steps foot on campus, he could be a top 100 player.
This post was edited on 5/10/23 at 2:54 pm
Posted on 5/10/23 at 3:51 pm to Alt26
If you want to win immediately after McMahon and you can't take Beard from Ole Miss then go hire one of the two hired guns out of Texas....Scott Drew or Kelvin Sampson. Both can recruit both have won big and Sampson has won everywhere he has been. Both also play "the game" to get recruits in.
edited out Bryce Drew....
edited out Bryce Drew....
This post was edited on 5/10/23 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 5/10/23 at 3:58 pm to JWill409
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Devon will continue to fly up the rankings, its a huge pickup for LSU. This kid wasn't even ranked by any service up until a few weeks ago when the live period started. He came from nowhere. It took one tournament for him to get offers from Texas aTm, Oklahoma State, Virginia Tech, LSU and Colorado. He will more than likely fly up into the top 150 range by end of summer and by the time he steps foot on campus, he could be a top 100 player.
And if it pans out that way, great.
As of right now, none of that is more than wishcasting.
Getting this kid is fine. You want guys you can develop in your program. With the transfer portal that's less true than it used to be, but it's still true.
The problem is that LSU doesn't have much in front of a guy like Pryor. We have Ward. So far there isn't a whole lot of reason to believe that Ward is going to blossom into a star player - he might well be a portal candidate after this year if he ends up playing behind Wright and Wilkinson, which isn't all that unlikely.
Plus, this is the first commitment. Is he who you build a top SEC recruiting class around? I don't think the answer is yes; he's more like a nice addition after you've hauled in a couple of Top 50 players you expect to come in and dominate right away.
And Matt McMahon doesn't get the benefit of the doubt after last year. Sorry, but he doesn't. Right now everything is suspect until he shows something.
Posted on 5/10/23 at 4:00 pm to Lapaz
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The potential is evident from watching him play. He does have an outside game. He shot 31% on 3 pointers on 4/game.
31 percent against high school ballers is not much of an outside game. That's a guy whose three-balls you want to limit.
Posted on 5/10/23 at 4:03 pm to S
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Danny Hurley
Zero chance but gotta aim high right?
Nobody thought he could get Brian Kelly in here.
He throws enough money out there and he'll pull some coach you never even thought was possible. Woodward has a rep as a great AD to work for, and as much as we rip LSU's athletic program and Baton Rouge as a place to live, this is seen as a premier place to be a college coach. We win in everything from football to beach volleyball; it's not like some guy out there wouldn't see this as a golden opportunity to lock in and become a legend.
We're all hamstrung by the weak-arse history of LSU basketball as a program, but there is nothing holding this place back that a great coach and a good chunk of money won't fix.
Posted on 5/10/23 at 4:06 pm to Trailer Trash
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If you want to win immediately after McMahon and you can't take Beard from Ole Miss then go hire one of the two hired guns out of Texas....Bryce Drew or Kelvin Sampson. Both can recruit both have won big and Sampson has won everywhere he has been. Both also play "the game" to get recruits in.
Well, I assume you mean Scott Drew, because Bryce was horrible at Vanderbilt. But those guys aren't leaving championship level programs to come MAYBE win at LSU. This isn't football or baseball. They don't need LSU to win big or get a huge pay day. They already have that.
This isn't football where a Brian Kelly knows he has topped out at ND and needs to be at a place like LSU to beat the Alabamas, Georgias, Clemsons, Ohio States of the world. It isn't baseball in that no mater how much success Johnson had at Arizona, the fanbase wasn't going to care about baseball and the university wasn't going to put as much money into the program as LSU will. It isn't even Women's basketball where a HOF really wants to come home.
LSU basketball isn't swimming in those waters. So they have two options:
1. Hit on the crapshoot of hiring the up and comer destined to be the next great coach, or;
2. Catch a fallen star. I.e. a guy with a history of proven success that for one reason or another had to be fired by his previous school for something unrelated to performance (see Pearl at Auburn, Beard at Ole Miss, Pitino at St. Johns, Miller at Xavier, Calipari at Memphis, etc.)
Posted on 5/10/23 at 4:10 pm to macaoidh
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Nobody thought he could get Brian Kelly in here.
Bad comparison.
Kelly isn't here because LSU wanted to pay him outrageously more than ND would. He's here ONLY because, at 60, a national championship is the final accomplishment he wants and he knew he could not beat the powerhouses such as Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, etc at Notre Dame. He had to come to a program that has proven it can.
Ole Miss could have offered him $6M per year more than LSU is paying him now and he wasn't leaving ND. Why? Because he knows he can't win a championship at Ole Miss.
But don't take my word for it.
Brian Kelly on why he left Notre Dame for LSU....
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“I want to be in an environment where I have the resources to win a national championship. And I came down here because I want to be in the American League East.
“I felt like I did everything that I could at Notre Dame and they felt like they did everything they could for me. I felt like we had both got to a point where this is what they could do, right? This is what I did
This post was edited on 5/10/23 at 4:14 pm
Posted on 5/10/23 at 5:10 pm to Alt26
I'm not sure what your argument is.
The point wasn't that there is exact similarity between Brian Kelly's situation and the basketball coach we would ultimately want, it was that Kelly was seen as an elite coach who was topping out at a marquee program and most people would have thought he was ungettable, and yet Woodward got him.
There is nothing preventing LSU from finding somebody along those lines in basketball. Quibbling about Kelly's individual situation is talking beside that point. Maybe there's a super-successful coach out there who just got saddled with an a-hole of an athletic director. Maybe there's a coach who's about to divorce his wife and wants out of dodge where he is. Maybe it's an NBA coach who's hamstrung by a cheap owner.
The point is that if you're willing to offer enough money and you're willing to go and make a play for an elite name coach, you can get one. Woodward has proven that time and again. I'm not sure why it's even all that controversial a statement.
He went after McMahon because he was the top mid-major coach available who wasn't going to say no to an SEC job. He took a chance on going that route because it was cheaper to do that than to shoot the moon and after blowing up the program with Wade the job wasn't all that attractive.
It won't be this time either, assuming McMahon scuffles again, but it's still going to be LSU and for the right money it's still a sale that can be made.
The point wasn't that there is exact similarity between Brian Kelly's situation and the basketball coach we would ultimately want, it was that Kelly was seen as an elite coach who was topping out at a marquee program and most people would have thought he was ungettable, and yet Woodward got him.
There is nothing preventing LSU from finding somebody along those lines in basketball. Quibbling about Kelly's individual situation is talking beside that point. Maybe there's a super-successful coach out there who just got saddled with an a-hole of an athletic director. Maybe there's a coach who's about to divorce his wife and wants out of dodge where he is. Maybe it's an NBA coach who's hamstrung by a cheap owner.
The point is that if you're willing to offer enough money and you're willing to go and make a play for an elite name coach, you can get one. Woodward has proven that time and again. I'm not sure why it's even all that controversial a statement.
He went after McMahon because he was the top mid-major coach available who wasn't going to say no to an SEC job. He took a chance on going that route because it was cheaper to do that than to shoot the moon and after blowing up the program with Wade the job wasn't all that attractive.
It won't be this time either, assuming McMahon scuffles again, but it's still going to be LSU and for the right money it's still a sale that can be made.
Posted on 5/10/23 at 5:45 pm to macaoidh
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I'm not sure what your argument is.
The argument is that unlike the football and baseball programs, the LSU basketball program doesn't have the cache/appeal to poach a championship level coach from a championship level program.
LSU didn't get Brian Kelly to leave a great program at ND simply because LSU offered him a lot of money (ND wasn't paying $5.00 an hour). They got him because LSU is a program that has proven a coach can win a championship here. Kelly wants a championship and he would only consider leaving ND (who was probably as close as anyone without winning a championship) for a proven championship program. That was LSU.
Jay Johnson left Arizona because there are very few schools in the country more committed to college baseball than LSU. Arizona wasn't going to pay him as much as LSU would. And they weren't going to sink the amount of resources into college baseball LSU will. The market for truly big time college baseball programs is very small. LSU is in that market. Thus, making it desirable for almost any coach.
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The point is that if you're willing to offer enough money and you're willing to go and make a play for an elite name coach, you can get one.
Only if you have the program to back it up. Scott Drew doesn't need to come to LSU to win a championship and make a ton of money. He already has that at Baylor. Mick Cronin doesn't need to leave UCLA. John Calipari doesn't need to leave Kentucky. They've reached, or gotten very close to the pinnacle of their sport at their programs. Those types of guys would be taking a step BACK in their careers to come to LSU because LSU is not an outlier in the world of college basketball in terms of championship ability or financial commitment.
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He went after McMahon because he was the top mid-major coach available who wasn't going to say no to an SEC job. He took a chance on going that route because it was cheaper to do that than to shoot the moon and after blowing up the program with Wade the job wasn't all that attractive.
He went after a guy he could realistically get. What truly big time coach do you think would have left a great situation to come to LSU? Even under normal circumstances.
Rarely do championship level coaches leave a championship level programs. And when they do, it is often for a big time program. Look back through recent history. Roy Williams didn't leave Kansas for Oregon. He went to North Carolina. Calipari didn't leave Memphis for Iowa St. He left for Kentucky. Mick Cronin didn't leave Cincinnati for South Carolina. He left for UCLA. Those are three of the biggest brands in all of college basketball.
Scott Drew has been a Baylor for a long time. Same for Tony Bennett at Virginia. Jay Wright stayed at Villanova for a long time. Billy Donovan stayed at Florida for 20 years. Tom Izzo has been at Michigan St. for 40 years as a coach. Do you think that is because big schools with big money didn't desire them? No, it's because they were at programs they built to a championship level of success and there was no reason for them to leave that to take a step back and start over.
So it is delusional to think LSU/Woodward could do in basketball what he was able to do in football and baseball because LSU basketball does not have the same pedigree in its marketplace that LSU football and baseball have in theirs.
And before you counter with Kim Mulkey, she left her program because Louisiana was home. No other program (except maybe Louisiana Tech) could offer her that. Kim was a championship level coach for 20 years at Baylor. Yet, she never left...until an opportunity to bring her home (along with a salary big enough to not make her regret leaving Baylor) came along.
Posted on 5/10/23 at 9:40 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
Seems solid
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