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re: Derek Pananaski says fan negativity obviously impacting recruiting
Posted on 2/1/12 at 2:49 pm to 1bigcat
Posted on 2/1/12 at 2:49 pm to 1bigcat
I think the booing of JJ had an impact.
It was well reported, and a big topic of conversation throughout the state.
But it is still the job of our recruiters, and CLM, to quell these things.
Fan negativity or no, Miles and Co are responsible.
It was well reported, and a big topic of conversation throughout the state.
But it is still the job of our recruiters, and CLM, to quell these things.
Fan negativity or no, Miles and Co are responsible.
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Posted on 2/1/12 at 2:49 pm to Chicken
quote:
I don't feel that fan negativity impacted recruiting this year. I think the terrible performance on Jan 9 had a far greater impact than some of you want to admit.
I added the emphasis to help make my point. You say first that you don't think fan negativity "impacted" recruiting, while stating in the second that Jan 9 "had a far greater impact" than most will admit.
You rightly point out, by using the term "greater," that there are degrees of impact. The Jan 9 game had the biggest one, but not the only one.
Just because fan negativity didn't have the biggest impact on the 2012 class, doesn't mean that it had no impact at all. In fact, what's the point of having a message board that allows as much complaint as this one does, if the posts don't have any impact at all?
If Ponamsky thinks that the big, mean Rant is the main culprit in LSU having a very good class, rather than a stellar one, he's clearly dead wrong. But isn't it just as wrong to think that the level of fan vitriol that came out after Jan 9 had no effect at all? The LSU coaches get the lion's share of the blame here, but that shouldn't mean fan negativity gets a complete pass.
Posted on 2/1/12 at 2:49 pm to Patrick_Bateman
quote:that is just a nice way to say "fan that can be negative when things go wrong"...really, Derek should have said:
passionate
passionate fan base obviously impacting recruiting
Posted on 2/1/12 at 2:50 pm to Chicken
quote:
Did you expect him to blame Miles for the recruiting woes this year?
I expect him to shoot straight. The arrow will seek its target.
Posted on 2/1/12 at 2:51 pm to Chicken
quote:
How so? Were there any examples cited...or was it just assumption?
I am not an insider but i am from north LA and I have many converstaions with lesser recruits. I alsways ask people and recruits whats there Handle?
Sometimes they tell me but every recruit thats interested in LSU goes to see whats being said.
You can take it for whats it worth.
Unless i Get Toshiro to come out on record and say so you are going to defend your compnay. I dont blame you.
But you can say it doesnt have any effect if you want to. But you have done agreat job with thsi site and it is the voice of LSU fans bottom line. I bet if you charged subs it woudl be different. but its free to see and free to post.
Thsi board also has a very negative tone even at 13-0 we had people griping about LSU.
I am with you. I dont think its fair by any means that anyone can create an alter say what they want and a kid listens but they are just that. Kids. Same kids that get inito it with twitter adn facebook followers they dont know. Media has cited this site multiple times and I am sure you have that on your desk already. Probably use that to sell advertising.
I love thsi site. but I know it has a impact whether small with some recruits and big with some or even none with some. This cite is relevant.
Posted on 2/1/12 at 2:52 pm to Chicken
I think it is pretty obvious it was more than a few things.
Fan reactions
NC game
Players reacting after the NC game
Negative recruiting
Probation
All impacted our class. Probation hurt us simply because we had to be extra careful recruiting this year. Thankfully that should be over real soon.
Fan reactions
NC game
Players reacting after the NC game
Negative recruiting
Probation
All impacted our class. Probation hurt us simply because we had to be extra careful recruiting this year. Thankfully that should be over real soon.
Posted on 2/1/12 at 2:52 pm to Chicken
quote:
passionate fan base obviously impacting recruiting
thsi is very true. you are hitting it on the head.
Posted on 2/1/12 at 2:55 pm to tigerden851
I like Derek but he is overly emotional himself.
Posted on 2/1/12 at 2:59 pm to Martin Blank
Martin, I know what I typed. I believe that the other factors impacting recruiting, besides the Nightmare on Poydras Street, have little to do with fan base negativity.
Collins chose to commit to Alabama BEFORE the game.
Some kids just feel more comfortable at other schools...maybe they will get more playing time, like the coaches better, like the campus better, want to go out of state to be further from home, maybe their girlfriend is going to the school, maybe their parent is getting a job via the school etc.
I believe that we sign Torshiro if we win the game on Jan 9, or at least play better. I blame that on Miles and the team. Not the fans.
Besides Torshiro, who else did we miss out on because of fan base negativity? Can you list names?
Collins chose to commit to Alabama BEFORE the game.
Some kids just feel more comfortable at other schools...maybe they will get more playing time, like the coaches better, like the campus better, want to go out of state to be further from home, maybe their girlfriend is going to the school, maybe their parent is getting a job via the school etc.
I believe that we sign Torshiro if we win the game on Jan 9, or at least play better. I blame that on Miles and the team. Not the fans.
Besides Torshiro, who else did we miss out on because of fan base negativity? Can you list names?
This post was edited on 2/1/12 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 2/1/12 at 3:02 pm to Roaad
quote:Agree this probably had the biggest impact. It certainly reached a large audience on TV, had racial undertones (whether you want to believe it or not, a black kid is going to view it that way), and followed a prominent "unjust" arrest- so he was a victim too. Then LSU fans boo like a bunch of retards at a game and ruin it for everyone.
I think the booing of JJ had an impact.
Posted on 2/1/12 at 3:02 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
quote:
I think the terrible performance on Jan 9 had a far greater impact than some of you want to admit.
It did, but understand this:
Kids who are true competitors and want to come to LSU look at Jan 9th as an opportunity, not a fault. Guys who you want representing LSU have the mental toughness to recognize Jan 9th for what it was. They also know 13-0 wasn't a fluke either. IF they left bc of Jan 9th, good riddance! Guys like Tishiro Davis will enjoy 8 win seasons at
Recruits see the game on the 9th the same way anyone with a brain did. LSU was not outplayed, they played on offense with no heart. Anyone watching could see that, from warm ups, to coming out of the tunnel in three groups at halftime, to the way they actually played. They talked to players on the team and know what happened before the game. THAT is what hurt our recruiting.
For anyone to be on this board and think they have any stroke with players (alright, any significant stroke where they’ll change schools) are just as delusional as the fans that think when they were typing about JJ and JL that that would effect Miles handling of the situation.
Posted on 2/1/12 at 3:03 pm to Chicken
Well, it is hard to say honestly. But you have to think perhaps offensive recruits didn't like watching our game. Maybe Kiel switched at the last moment based on negativity. I know distance was one thing but negativity could've put him over the top. I remember seeing awhile back he really didn't want to be under a program that would give him stress out this world. Expectations are high.
Plus, you have to think Patterson saw us as less desirable based on our run offense system.
Plus, you have to think Patterson saw us as less desirable based on our run offense system.
Posted on 2/1/12 at 3:05 pm to Chicken
Morons hate it when you call them morons. This is kinda like that.
As for the players being pissed, I hope that carries over to next year and they play with the attitude of a team with unfinished business and grind every opponent into the turf. If I'm a team on LSU's 2012 schedule, I'm nervous.
Oh, and death to all teams who wear red.
As for the players being pissed, I hope that carries over to next year and they play with the attitude of a team with unfinished business and grind every opponent into the turf. If I'm a team on LSU's 2012 schedule, I'm nervous.
Oh, and death to all teams who wear red.
Posted on 2/1/12 at 3:08 pm to deuce985
quote:Kiel switched because his family wanted him close to home. I hardly doubt it was the negativity of the fan base...he has to believe that Notre Dame has similar passion from its fans.
Maybe Kiel switched at the last moment based on negativity.
Posted on 2/1/12 at 3:09 pm to deuce985
quote:
Well, it is hard to say honestly. But you have to think perhaps offensive recruits didn't like watching our game. Maybe Kiel switched at the last moment based on negativity. I know distance was one thing but negativity could've put him over the top. I remember seeing awhile back he really didn't want to be under a program that would give him stress out this world. Expectations are high.
Plus, you have to think Patterson saw us as less desirable based on our run offense system.
If I was an offensive recruit, I would likely look elsewhere too, simply because LSU does not showcase skill players. A running back has to be part of a stable here, not the guy (like TR). Also, LSU never has an offensive player in the Heisman talk. Now defense, that's a different story.
Posted on 2/1/12 at 3:09 pm to Chicken
I wish TD would go to a policy of not allowing people with new accounts or fewer than 500 posts to post in certain time windows
We really don't need the influx of verbal diarrhea from alters and new posters after a big loss or around the national signing day. What we end up with is the lowest common denominator of some disgruntled guy posting while he weeps from both ends.
Has anyone of any positive note ever created a new account and logged in to share interesting or helpful new information on a day like today or the week of January 10? I think the answer to that is no. The more rational people are not going to do that then and there's no reason for TD to provide such an easy vehicle for the retards to spill their bile.
We really don't need the influx of verbal diarrhea from alters and new posters after a big loss or around the national signing day. What we end up with is the lowest common denominator of some disgruntled guy posting while he weeps from both ends.
Has anyone of any positive note ever created a new account and logged in to share interesting or helpful new information on a day like today or the week of January 10? I think the answer to that is no. The more rational people are not going to do that then and there's no reason for TD to provide such an easy vehicle for the retards to spill their bile.
Posted on 2/1/12 at 3:10 pm to tigerden851
Negativity was at an all time high several years ago following horrid seasons yet pissed off people after being runners up is hurting recruiting? Shut up Derek
Posted on 2/1/12 at 3:10 pm to tigerden851
when all else fails blame the fans.
our coaches are paid to recruit big time athletes.
look at al golden at miami. he has overcome more negativity than anyone and has put together a pretty good class.
so tired of people acting like our fans negativity is unique.
our coaches are paid to recruit big time athletes.
look at al golden at miami. he has overcome more negativity than anyone and has put together a pretty good class.
so tired of people acting like our fans negativity is unique.
This post was edited on 2/1/12 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 2/1/12 at 3:15 pm to Chicken
Maybe. But you have to consider ND probably doesn't have expectations from their fans like us either. They can only go up from this point. They don't have bandwagon fans anymore... 
Either way, I seriously doubt negativity was the main reason. More of a perfect storm of events...
Either way, I seriously doubt negativity was the main reason. More of a perfect storm of events...
This post was edited on 2/1/12 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 2/1/12 at 3:17 pm to Chicken
In terms of the committed Tigers who defected, I'm with you to a point, though Torshiro seems to be the one who everyone's up in arms about, and he seems to have been very much affected by what's been going on. You rightly point out that Collins and Devall seem to have left for reasons other than the fanbase. But asking me to prove that there was no fan effect on Cordarrelle Patterson, Trae Ellston, or even Gunner Kiel for that matter, is asking me to prove a negative. That's almost impossible to do.
If Miles and the team are responsible for not winning the game on Jan 9 (and they are 100%), aren't the fans who continue to complain about those coaches responsible for their reaction to that game, and however it is that reaction affects the program? Only a fool would argue that the fans are more reponsible for it than the coaches, or anywhere close. But it doesn't seem logical for the "negative" fans to be able to have their cake, and eat it too, by claiming that they can complain all they want, with absolutely no effect on anything related to LSU football
If Miles and the team are responsible for not winning the game on Jan 9 (and they are 100%), aren't the fans who continue to complain about those coaches responsible for their reaction to that game, and however it is that reaction affects the program? Only a fool would argue that the fans are more reponsible for it than the coaches, or anywhere close. But it doesn't seem logical for the "negative" fans to be able to have their cake, and eat it too, by claiming that they can complain all they want, with absolutely no effect on anything related to LSU football
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