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re: Coach O Can Learn Something from Dabo
Posted on 2/8/20 at 12:04 pm to TigerStripes30
Posted on 2/8/20 at 12:04 pm to TigerStripes30
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The only reason IMO why this works is bc they have the easiest path to the playoffs and really no competition on there league...once FSU or Miami or other ACC schools start beating them then he wont be able to do this...he has no competition with any one from the ACC and claims USCe as a SEC team they beat every year....he has leverage and once the other teams in ACC become more relevant his leverage is out the window....yes i agree its not a bad strategy but jus think it only works for that specific situation and wouldnt here in the SEC as good as it has for Clemson in the ACC
Only partly true. There coaching staff is much more stable and recruits actually believe it when they are told Venables isnt going anywhere. Conversely everybody has known Aranda would leave for a head coaching job and most suspected Brady would be gone after a year or two.
Posted on 2/8/20 at 12:12 pm to TIGRLEE
As was the case this cycle, the staff needs to learn what "commitment" means also. They dropped kids that were committed here with no intention of withdrawing that commitment. Who's to blame for that?
Sure we'd all love to have the Clemson policy and the hit rate they have but there's a reason it's only been done a couple of times in the modern era. It's not feasible everywhere or necessarily even the best policy.
Carroll's USC teams, Browns Texas teams and now Dabos Clemson teams are the only modern era recruiting juggernauts that had hit rates nearing the 25% mark with few to no decommitments.(Mack's classes hit on probably 70% a few times)(hit rate is commitment to offer ratio) It takes rare setups for it to work out that well. Carroll had a, unique at the time, NFL like powerhouse and made his offers an elite confirmation of a kids ability. Mack had that Longhorn draw which at the time was massive and he purposely selected kids he knew he could land. Didn't want to get his hands dirty. Both of those I understood. Don't know what Dabos doing or what makes things work but kudos to him.
On the contrarion side just look at everyone else. Bama has had an unprecedented run in recruiting with essentially the same principles we have. UGA now on one doing the same. Flood offers, get as many kids on campus as possible, center in on the guys you really want while balancing instate offers. Most powers now have an ever-changing board which allows kids to move up and down which leads to schools dropping commitments. The process has been rushed so much the past few years(rules and the industry) that it is inevitable that schools are going to take on kids that don't really measure up as others emerge. We've done fine building our roster and though there's always room for improvement(closing), I don't think a complete overhaul is needed.
Sure we'd all love to have the Clemson policy and the hit rate they have but there's a reason it's only been done a couple of times in the modern era. It's not feasible everywhere or necessarily even the best policy.
Carroll's USC teams, Browns Texas teams and now Dabos Clemson teams are the only modern era recruiting juggernauts that had hit rates nearing the 25% mark with few to no decommitments.(Mack's classes hit on probably 70% a few times)(hit rate is commitment to offer ratio) It takes rare setups for it to work out that well. Carroll had a, unique at the time, NFL like powerhouse and made his offers an elite confirmation of a kids ability. Mack had that Longhorn draw which at the time was massive and he purposely selected kids he knew he could land. Didn't want to get his hands dirty. Both of those I understood. Don't know what Dabos doing or what makes things work but kudos to him.
On the contrarion side just look at everyone else. Bama has had an unprecedented run in recruiting with essentially the same principles we have. UGA now on one doing the same. Flood offers, get as many kids on campus as possible, center in on the guys you really want while balancing instate offers. Most powers now have an ever-changing board which allows kids to move up and down which leads to schools dropping commitments. The process has been rushed so much the past few years(rules and the industry) that it is inevitable that schools are going to take on kids that don't really measure up as others emerge. We've done fine building our roster and though there's always room for improvement(closing), I don't think a complete overhaul is needed.
Posted on 2/8/20 at 12:26 pm to Tenntig
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A month ago, LSU seemed overwhelmed by the number of legit prospects clamoring to join the program only to again find itself unable to even fill the 25 spots. And this is after a remarkable national championship season. How can this be for a head coach often lauded for his recruiting prowess. It appears Coach Orgeron “processed” a number of commitments out of the class to make room the anticipated influx of higher ranked players.
Damn, that hindsight is 20/20! Who the hell saw LSU going 15-0 to the Natty back in April- Aug timeframe. When LSU raised its status to CFP elite the market for players changed and LSU got caught with a bunch of good players that we would have been satisfied with in past years... you know, keeping the fence up on LA. This did not happen in Aug or Sept. It started building in Oct, Nov, and Dec. Before that many of these "high rated players" were not even sniffing LSU.
You can do that kind of stuff you referred to Clemson doing if you are a top brand. When you are scratching to get there you cant. Look for LSU to be way more selective this year and be more demanding of recruits.
Posted on 2/8/20 at 12:29 pm to Tenntig
We just whipped Clemsons arse. O needs to keep doing what he feels is best for the program.
Besides, we play in the SEC. we are essentially recruiting a different batch of kids. Some elite prospects, particularly from SEC states are set on playing at an SEC program. We are simply more competitive on the recruiting trail.
Besides, we play in the SEC. we are essentially recruiting a different batch of kids. Some elite prospects, particularly from SEC states are set on playing at an SEC program. We are simply more competitive on the recruiting trail.
Posted on 2/8/20 at 1:01 pm to CajunDan
Ok, but Clemson has been one of the most successful programs in college football the last 5 years or so. To say there is nothing to learn from them because we beat them in one game is pretty dumb. This cycle for them is the first year that they have really had an elite class and they had zero flips. Personally I think it is smarter to swallow ones ego and utilize the best strategies possible to get and retain recruits we want and win as many games as possible.
Posted on 2/8/20 at 1:09 pm to Tenntig
I will say what Dabo has done in this regard is quite amazing.
I think Saban isn't too far behind.
Would be nice to get better at securing who commits to us.
I think Saban isn't too far behind.
Would be nice to get better at securing who commits to us.
Posted on 2/8/20 at 1:21 pm to Tiger Tracker
No. our recruiting has been better in recent years, and this year was about the same as Dabo. O keeps doing it his way.
Posted on 2/8/20 at 1:33 pm to DeafVallyBatnR
to take that kind of stance would be a huge (yuuge)gamble.recruits would second guess their commitment,and hold off until they made other visits.do we turn away a 5 star,cuz he visits another?
Posted on 2/8/20 at 1:44 pm to CatsGoneWild
Nope I was told Brady will not make that much difference because E had this, offense is already installed. Didn’t know what I was talking about, E can encourage these players to sign or commit much better than a 30yr old offensive coach that is now with the Panthers, We Good
Posted on 2/8/20 at 2:09 pm to Tenntig
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In the last four year, LSU has had 41 football recruits withdraw their commitments to play for the Tigers -- including 15 from the 2020 recruiting class.
And 6 of those 41 recommitted and signed with LSU.
2017 Jacoby Stevens and Lowell Narcisse
2018 Kelvin Joseph and Kenan Jones
2019 Derek Stingley
2020 Jaquelin Roy
Posted on 2/8/20 at 2:18 pm to mdomingue
Yeah. Maybe dominated isn't right but we had just as much if not more talent than Clemson over the course of the past 4 years. This whole thread and the people agreeing with it are just upset we didn't land Burch and now think Dabo has it all figured out.
Nevermind the fact that this season never happens if we do things like Dabo (remember Burrow came here as a transfer spot). Some very selective memories in this thread.
Nevermind the fact that this season never happens if we do things like Dabo (remember Burrow came here as a transfer spot). Some very selective memories in this thread.
Posted on 2/8/20 at 6:40 pm to Tiger Tracker
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Clemson was never out recruiting us. They were out developing us with less talented players.
Yes, and the recruiting rankings back you up. LSU had the higher ranked recruits.
Posted on 2/8/20 at 7:06 pm to Penrod
Clemson and Lsu both recruit at a high level . What works at one school does not always work at another . The easy path to the playoffs is part of why we are sucessful at recruiting but there is so much more to it. Coaching stability, family atmosphere, high graduation rate, great facilities and the I'm gonna make your kid a better man pitch are just some of the reasons . I would think SEC tradition , coach O and a large number of NFL alum are part of the reason for your success . What I am wondering is what are some of the other reasons ? Oh and of course coach O could learn something from Dabo . Just as Dabo could learn something from coach O .
This post was edited on 2/8/20 at 7:09 pm
Posted on 2/8/20 at 7:09 pm to Tenntig
idiot
we are 15-0
best season ever
champs
so what do you know that O doesnt? yeah nothing, so f off
we are 15-0
best season ever
champs
so what do you know that O doesnt? yeah nothing, so f off
Posted on 2/8/20 at 11:19 pm to Tenntig
I will politely disagree! Its not like Dabo was able to put together a good class because he restricted his commits to take a visit elsewhere. That is a terrible analogy.
Not to mention, the Midget and Smart pull #1 and #2 ranked classes year after year, and none of these guys restrict the kids to take visits elsewhere.
Also, the thought of restricting these kids from taking visits after committing will eventually backfire. Its analogous to restricting your girlfriend from talking with other dudes, and we all know how that ends up.
In addition, these kids are teenagers and change their favorite school more times than a lady changing her panties in a day.
Not to mention, the Midget and Smart pull #1 and #2 ranked classes year after year, and none of these guys restrict the kids to take visits elsewhere.
Also, the thought of restricting these kids from taking visits after committing will eventually backfire. Its analogous to restricting your girlfriend from talking with other dudes, and we all know how that ends up.
In addition, these kids are teenagers and change their favorite school more times than a lady changing her panties in a day.
Posted on 2/8/20 at 11:47 pm to Tenntig
And Dabo can learn a lot from CEO!
One thing Dabo can’t do is beat CEO, so I’ll take a championship over kerpinh recruits from flipping
One thing Dabo can’t do is beat CEO, so I’ll take a championship over kerpinh recruits from flipping
Posted on 2/9/20 at 12:18 am to Tenntig
Non-commitable are not what is offered. The recruit is told the offer is commutable based on.somethings happening. The player knows what must happen for the offer to be accepted by both parties.
Posted on 2/9/20 at 12:30 am to CatsGoneWild
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I'm so sick of this excuse.
It’s not an excuse if it is a proven fact. History shows that teams get a bump in recruiting the full recruiting cycle after a national championship.
Posted on 2/9/20 at 8:01 am to geauxtigers33
Well let's see how we do this cycle...
Hoping we get that bump...
Hoping we get that bump...
Posted on 2/9/20 at 5:06 pm to LSUstephen17
Thought Dabo did learn a few things from O recently in New Orleans!!
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