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Coach O Can Learn Something from Dabo
Posted on 2/8/20 at 10:01 am
Posted on 2/8/20 at 10:01 am
In the last four year, LSU has had 41 football recruits withdraw their commitments to play for the Tigers -- including 15 from the 2020 recruiting class. In those same four classes, Clemson has lost just one player – none in the last three years.
Today’s top rated high school players consider a commitment as little more than place-holder or an attention-getter. How often do we hear them say, “I’m 100% committed – right now.” It’s like becoming engaged but insisting on the right to date other girls. They seem mindless to the impact their commitments might have in terms of other kids going elsewhere as a result or coaching staffs halting the pursuit of a willing prospect because they believe they have met their roster needs.
But big time programs such as LSU are equally to blame. They offer scholarships to hundreds of kids but have just 25 available. They invented the bewildering term “non-commitable offer.”
A month ago, LSU seemed overwhelmed by the number of legit prospects clamoring to join the program only to again find itself unable to even fill the 25 spots. And this is after a remarkable national championship season. How can this be for a head coach often lauded for his recruiting prowess. It appears Coach Orgeron “processed” a number of commitments out of the class to make room the anticipated influx of higher ranked players.
Dabo Sweeny will not allow any player "committed" to Clemson to visit any other school. Last month he got a commitment from No. 1 ranked 2021 player Korey Foreman and ordered him to cancel his participation at the SPE Elite camp and a planned visit to LSU. It's time for Coach O to have the same kind of requirements for prospects and to uphold LSU's side of the deal as well.
Today’s top rated high school players consider a commitment as little more than place-holder or an attention-getter. How often do we hear them say, “I’m 100% committed – right now.” It’s like becoming engaged but insisting on the right to date other girls. They seem mindless to the impact their commitments might have in terms of other kids going elsewhere as a result or coaching staffs halting the pursuit of a willing prospect because they believe they have met their roster needs.
But big time programs such as LSU are equally to blame. They offer scholarships to hundreds of kids but have just 25 available. They invented the bewildering term “non-commitable offer.”
A month ago, LSU seemed overwhelmed by the number of legit prospects clamoring to join the program only to again find itself unable to even fill the 25 spots. And this is after a remarkable national championship season. How can this be for a head coach often lauded for his recruiting prowess. It appears Coach Orgeron “processed” a number of commitments out of the class to make room the anticipated influx of higher ranked players.
Dabo Sweeny will not allow any player "committed" to Clemson to visit any other school. Last month he got a commitment from No. 1 ranked 2021 player Korey Foreman and ordered him to cancel his participation at the SPE Elite camp and a planned visit to LSU. It's time for Coach O to have the same kind of requirements for prospects and to uphold LSU's side of the deal as well.
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Posted on 2/8/20 at 10:06 am to Tenntig
It's not a bad strategy but we have dominated Clemson in recruiting most years besides this one.
ETA: winning a national championship doesn't necessarily pay dividends the year it is won either. By the time we won most commits were already sold on where they were going. It should help next year though, again see Clemson.
ETA: winning a national championship doesn't necessarily pay dividends the year it is won either. By the time we won most commits were already sold on where they were going. It should help next year though, again see Clemson.
This post was edited on 2/8/20 at 10:14 am
Posted on 2/8/20 at 10:15 am to Tiger Tracker
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ETA: winning a national championship doesn't necessarily pay dividends the year it is one either. By the time we won most commits were already sold on where they were going. It should help next year though, again see Clemson
I'm so sick of this excuse. We had a great season from game one and had alot of recruits leave or choose other schools over us. I don't see our recruiting being top 1 or 2 in 2021 because of a title this past season. Brady and Aranda are gone. If Brady stayed, it would be different.
This post was edited on 2/8/20 at 10:18 am
Posted on 2/8/20 at 10:18 am to CatsGoneWild
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I'm so sick of this excuse.
It's not an excuse for shite. We finished with an AMAZING class. I am saying that next year should be even better because most kids already had their mind made up. Yeah we had a great season all the way through but most 2020 recruits, like many others, are thinking is this a one hit wonder team. If we come back strong next year on offense then expect more top tier players on offense to want to come in 2021.
Our offense is now updated and we already recruited wide receivers great and now we are getting some studs at TE and the o line. So if we get a top QB, which we have several interested in 2021, we would be doing even better than this year. I think you're too wrapped up in our ranking #. #1-#5 doesn't really matter. It matters that we are getting guys at positions of need and O is doing that well.
This post was edited on 2/8/20 at 10:22 am
Posted on 2/8/20 at 10:20 am to Tenntig
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In the last four year, LSU has had 41 football recruits withdraw their commitments to play for the Tigers -- including 15 from the 2020 recruiting class. In those same four classes, Clemson has lost just one player – none in the last three years.
If the data supplied in the OP is accurate, it would be hard to argue against O adopting a similar policy with our commitments henceforward.
Posted on 2/8/20 at 10:24 am to Tiger Tracker
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It's not a bad strategy but we have dominated Clemson in recruiting most years besides this one.
People downvote this but our team was more talented than theirs all over the field.
frick the rankings. We out recruited them.
Posted on 2/8/20 at 10:24 am to TNTigerman
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If the data supplied in the OP is accurate, it would be hard to argue against O adopting a similar policy with our commitments henceforward.
Not really. Look at Clemson's recruiting classes compared to ours over those years. Also we had 41 withdraw...ok...who were they replaced with and what did those players do at other schools. This is such an oversimplification of the matter it is absurd.
I'm not knocking Dabos method I am just saying there's more data needed before saying it's the right thing to do at LSU.
Posted on 2/8/20 at 10:29 am to Hester Carries
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People downvote this but our team was more talented than theirs all over the field.
frick the rankings. We out recruited them.
Of course we did. O is doing something that Les wasn't as good at. Les got a ton of talent but wasn't as successful filling positions of need and also developing players in key positions like QB. O is proving we can do that which will change the perception going forward. Clemson was never out recruiting us. They were out developing us with less talented players.
Posted on 2/8/20 at 10:34 am to Tiger Tracker
The only reason IMO why this works is bc they have the easiest path to the playoffs and really no competition on there league...once FSU or Miami or other ACC schools start beating them then he wont be able to do this...he has no competition with any one from the ACC and claims USCe as a SEC team they beat every year....he has leverage and once the other teams in ACC become more relevant his leverage is out the window....yes i agree its not a bad strategy but jus think it only works for that specific situation and wouldnt here in the SEC as good as it has for Clemson in the ACC
Posted on 2/8/20 at 10:42 am to TigerStripes30
Agreed. I love the fact that we just smoked Clemson in the Championship but now we need to start recruiting like them. Makes total sense. 
Posted on 2/8/20 at 10:50 am to Tiger Tracker
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It's not a bad strategy but we have dominated Clemson in recruiting most years besides this one.
Posted on 2/8/20 at 10:53 am to Tenntig
Make the Playoff in 2020 and 2021 and you will see our 2023 class killing it. Discussions suggesting Brady / Burrow was a "one and done" circumstance will be shut down and Pelini will have demonstrated LSU's defense didn't drop a beat handing off of keys from Aranda.
The guy who has the hardest job is James Cregg. His recognition at year-end for the 2019 offensive line being best in the country is a start, but that was far too late for the existing top 2020 lineman available and may also be the same for 2021. Since Louisiana HS doesn't seem to develop the mother-load of Offensive Tackles, we need for those with such skills [Region-wide or Nation-wide] wanting to play for LSU from a young age based upon likely development towards becoming NFL lineman because they trained and learned from coach Cregg. How high in the draft a guy like Cushenberry goes will help to start that lineage.
The guy who has the hardest job is James Cregg. His recognition at year-end for the 2019 offensive line being best in the country is a start, but that was far too late for the existing top 2020 lineman available and may also be the same for 2021. Since Louisiana HS doesn't seem to develop the mother-load of Offensive Tackles, we need for those with such skills [Region-wide or Nation-wide] wanting to play for LSU from a young age based upon likely development towards becoming NFL lineman because they trained and learned from coach Cregg. How high in the draft a guy like Cushenberry goes will help to start that lineage.
Posted on 2/8/20 at 10:54 am to Tenntig
F outta here!!!!
We need to be who we are screw everybody else.
Show me a list of that said 41 and then show me who we got instead.
If they commit then decommitt, then we don't want em anyway!!! We want players who want to be at LSU.
We got a top 5 recruiting class and yall whining like some babies.
We need to be who we are screw everybody else.
Show me a list of that said 41 and then show me who we got instead.
If they commit then decommitt, then we don't want em anyway!!! We want players who want to be at LSU.
We got a top 5 recruiting class and yall whining like some babies.
Posted on 2/8/20 at 10:55 am to Tenntig
It’s a tactic worth consideration
Posted on 2/8/20 at 10:56 am to Tenntig
Works for them
Playing in a terrible Conference also inflates how good Clemson is
Playing in a terrible Conference also inflates how good Clemson is
Posted on 2/8/20 at 11:18 am to Tenntig
For frick's sake, Coach O just put together the best team this program (and arguably the rest of college football) has ever seen, and we "need" to be more like the team we just curb stomped? Get the frick out with that...
Posted on 2/8/20 at 11:38 am to Tenntig
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Coach O Can Learn Something from Dabo
As long as Coach is smart enough to know what the word “commitment” means to the individual then why does it matter? Couldn’t you argue that Dabo’s rule pushes certain recruits away...
I didn’t see anything on the field to say Clemson has recruiting ALL figured out.
Posted on 2/8/20 at 11:44 am to Tenntig
I agree with this.
These kids should made to learn what word commitment means.
These kids should made to learn what word commitment means.
Posted on 2/8/20 at 11:55 am to Tiger Tracker
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It's not a bad strategy but we have dominated Clemson in recruiting most years besides this one.
Dominated may be a strong word but with the exception of the transition year 2017 & this year, LSU has been ahead 4 or more spots. this class is only 1 spot behind Clemson.
2015
LSU -5
Clem -9
2016
LSU-2
Clem-11
2017
LSU-7
Clem-16
2018-
LSU-15
Clem-7
2019
LSU-5
Clem-10
2020
LSU-4
Clem-3
Posted on 2/8/20 at 11:56 am to Tiger Tracker
Come on. It's easy to recruit when your pitch is "You will play in the CFP guaranteed" and it's true. They will win every game till playoffs every year. It's going to take 3 more years for another team in ACC to build up to beat them. That is if they start last year and they can recruit. Mac Brown is probably the only coach who can build something to beat Clemson in that conference.
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