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Turbines vs Powered Attic Fan

Posted on 5/30/23 at 3:41 pm
Posted by RaginCajunz
Member since Mar 2009
5310 posts
Posted on 5/30/23 at 3:41 pm
I had Garcia roofing come out and take a look at my attic ventilation. I have long suspected my short ridge vents on my "Acadian" style home were not doing a great job. Most of my living area is venting to 3-4' ridge vents. They are in agreement. He said with this roof style, often they cannot create enough draft to suck the air through. The super heating air basically sits there slowly venting out.

Before I could bring up my main concern, short cycling the air, he brought it up. He said proper placement is key. If done right, the existing ridge vents will handle air from the front soffits. The turbines would handle the air from the rear (generally speaking)

I'm leaning towards saying yes to adding them. There are two options. Turbine style or powered. If I go powered, I will have to handle wiring them in.

Turbines:
+ Cheaper
- Uglier
- More likely to get ripped off in hurricane

Electric:
- $300 more (2) + my labor to wire them in
- Motors go out after ~7 years
+ More attractive
+ Better hurricane handling
Posted by RaginCajunz
Member since Mar 2009
5310 posts
Posted on 5/30/23 at 3:59 pm to
New downside after tracking the exact model on the quote. LomanCool 2000 800 CFM Weathered Bronze Power Attic Vent

The HomeDepot.com reviews are terrible. Half complain it is loud.
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
I'm your huckleberry
Member since Apr 2008
34172 posts
Posted on 5/30/23 at 4:29 pm to
I own a construction company, we started out as just roofing and gutters and still do them weekly.

In 6 years I have not installed a single power vent. I have replaced about 100 broken/not working ones though. I wouldn't put one on my house.

I prefer a ridge vent but your roofer is right, ridge vents are best on longer runs. They can be fine on shorter runs but a turbine is the better option on short runs. I've seen numerous roofers not cut the osb back far enough on ridge vents though and that is what is causing the issue, not the ridge vent itself.

Turbines are perfectly fine and work good, but I wouldn't install one while keeping ridge vents. They will work against one another if you have ridge vents near your turbines. If you are putting them on the same slope of your house, I'd get him to quote you on removing the ridge vents and installing ridge shingles.

Just the opinion of another roofing contractor.
Posted by RaginCajunz
Member since Mar 2009
5310 posts
Posted on 5/30/23 at 4:40 pm to
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iwyLSUiwy


I appreciate the input. I think that is the way to go. Turbines and remove the ridge vent from the equation. I suspect they aren't installed right anyway. It's undersized and if I stand in the attic with the lights out, I see very little daylight shining through. Not sure if the OSB is not cut enough, if there is felt in the way or any number of crappy install issues.

Posted by iwyLSUiwy
I'm your huckleberry
Member since Apr 2008
34172 posts
Posted on 5/30/23 at 4:49 pm to
Yea I mean I like the look of ridge vents the best, and they work the best imo. But they can easily be installed wrong (although they are pretty simple to install). Roofing is a mindless job and unless you have a project manager on the job overseeing, they will cut corners because all they care about is getting the job done as quick as possible.

As far as the hurricane goes. If a hurricane rips your turbine off you're most likely filing an insurance claim and getting a new roof and turbines anyway
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
29971 posts
Posted on 5/30/23 at 6:28 pm to
It is all about air exchanges. I am partial power vents because of the profile and they do move air. I have had very few issues with them. Also, I can replace the motors myself and have set mine up with a standard switch on each ahead of the thermostat so I can easily switch out a thermostat or motor without flipping the breaker.

The ideal roof for a ridge vent is a gabled roof. A hip roof, particularly if it has a high pitch, often end up with a ridge that is much too short. That is why I did not even consider it for my house.

I grew up with turbines on my mom's house back in the 70s. Most seemed to have them back then. There was a period where there were lots of bearing failures on them but I have not heard that as complaint in a long time so I am not certain if that is a real issue anymore of if I just don't know or pay attention when people talk about that
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
62719 posts
Posted on 5/30/23 at 7:07 pm to
Honestly, I don't think ridge vents work well.
Intuition tells me a power ventilator move air out better.
Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
24937 posts
Posted on 5/30/23 at 7:45 pm to
I have 3 powered roof vents. Each has its own receptacle and plug. If one goes out, unplug it and replace the motor.

They’re pretty easy to replace. I’ve replace all three of mine just once in the 14 years I’ve been in my house.
Posted by Pezzo
Member since Aug 2020
1929 posts
Posted on 5/30/23 at 9:04 pm to
I’ve got a gable roof with 3 turbines on it. Only complaint is they squeak every now and then and one leaks a little with a really hard rain.
Posted by good_2_geaux
Member since Feb 2015
740 posts
Posted on 5/30/23 at 9:24 pm to
I would highly suggest bringing up the "FORTIFIED" buzz word with your roofing professional before making any changes. Long story short, big discounts are on the table from homeowners insurers if you need the "FORTIFIED ROOF" criteria. It is becoming an industry best practice for installing a more wind resilient roofing system. I do not beleive it allows for ridge ventilation.


FWIW I replaced the electric motor in my roof power vent this past weekend. Bought the house with a power vent installed as the only source of ventilation (no ridge vents, whirlybirds, etc.), has not worked since purchasing the home and I just got around to doing it this past weeked. I was able to do everything from the attic without getting on the roof. I installed an outlet in the attic and put a male plug on the upstream side of the motor. It gives me an extra outlet in the attic and allows me to unplug the fan for furture mainentance. A previous poster stated they put a switch, also another option.
This post was edited on 5/30/23 at 9:29 pm
Posted by Slim Chance
Member since Oct 2012
1575 posts
Posted on 5/31/23 at 2:34 am to
I have 2 turbines on my house. Had a new roof put on last November and went back with turbines. They work really well and I think they look fine. I have them on the back side of my house and they're dark brown to color match to the roof. I've never had one of my turbines damaged in a hurricane and I've been in the house right at 20 years. That's all I have to input. Lol
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5264 posts
Posted on 5/31/23 at 9:51 am to
Have you done the calculation to determine if you have sufficient passive attic ventilation with the area of your soffit intakes and ridge vent area? Building codes usually require a minimum ratio of 300:1, i.e., 1 sq ft of ventilation area to 300 sq ft of attic area, equally divided between area of ridge vent (exhaust) and soffit vents (intake). For example, 3000 sq ft of attic area = 10 sq ft of ventilation, 5 sq ft of ridge vent and 5 sq ft of soffit intake. Some jurisdictions require a 150:1 ratio.

I also have an Acadian style house with steep roof, relative short ridge vents on the main facade, not the wings, and I found I far exceeded the 300:1 and 150:1 guideline ratio for attic ventilation. FWIW, I paid $27 to have this company to determine my ridge vent lengths LINK, and got up in the attic to determine the width of the ridge vent opening, and just did the arithmetic to calculate the area. Calculating soffit intake area was easy enough by counting the number of soffit vents and their area.

Anyway, most building science literature I’ve read recommends against electrically powered attic ventilators. When operating you are putting the attic under negative air pressure and though the make up air is supposed to come from the outside soffit vents, unless you have a tightly sealed attic (drywall plates sealed, all electric and plumbing vents sealed, etc), some of that make up air being drawn into the attic is going to be from your cooler conditioned living area below - so you are potentially using at least part of the AC cooling your living area to cool your attic. Additionally, the power ventilators can draw make up air from the existing ridge vent area - hence the often seen recommendation of use one or the other but not both. So as Garcia said, placement of additional attic ventilation devices is important so as to not interfere with function of the existing ridge vents.

Anyway, something to think about before you pull the trigger on adding additional attic ventilation. But I hear you - the short ridge vent lengths on some Acadian style homes can be a problem with attic ventilation.
Posted by RaginCajunz
Member since Mar 2009
5310 posts
Posted on 5/31/23 at 10:39 am to
Thanks Crawdude, I wonder if they are doing much more than I can measure with google maps?

Here's a diagram of what I'm dealing with. The top right isn't living area. The purple accounts for the vast majority of my living area and the 3 horizontal vents are at the highest elevations. Most of the house terminates to a vent that is 7' max.


Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5264 posts
Posted on 5/31/23 at 12:35 pm to
quote:

I wonder if they are doing much more than I can measure with google maps?

Google maps is fine - I actually used the aerial service more to determine roof area for a potential DYI radiant barrier install which I’ve not decided on.

You do have short ridges but I’d run the numbers any way just see where you stand relative to ventilation guidelines. But based on what I’ve read, you’d be better off with turbines vs power ventilators, but what I don’t know is if you block/close the ridge vents on your main roof ridges - you don’t want turbines to be pulling through those vents into the attic as those are attic air exhaust areas - seems that’s what Garcia was referring to relative to placement.

The main takeaway is that attic ventilation, and where air is pulled from to “cool” it, can bit more complex than most people realize, and there is potential for pulling conditioned air inside your home into the attic when the attic is under negative air pressure - you want to prevent that.

Is it Ever Helpful to Use a Powered Attic Ventilator . The author has bonafides - does this for a living in Atlanta, Ph.D. In Physics, and happens to be from south Louisiana. He recently published a book “A House Needs to Breathe…Or Does It?” that I’m reading now.
Posted by Baers Foot
Louisiana Ragin' Cajuns
Member since Dec 2011
3540 posts
Posted on 5/31/23 at 1:16 pm to
Is there a profession that specializes in attic ventilation? Or is it just roofing companies winging it? This topic always gets my attention because I have a hip roof and I know my ridge vents + soffits aren't ventilating enough.
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5264 posts
Posted on 5/31/23 at 4:42 pm to
quote:

Is there a profession that specializes in attic ventilation? Or is it just roofing companies winging it? This topic always gets my attention because I have a hip roof and I know my ridge vents + soffits aren't ventilating enough.

Seems like the best information/adviceon this subject, from what I gather, comes from residential building energy consultants/forensic building consultants. They come in evaluate problems - they’ll identify problem, suggest solutions, they often don’t do the work themselves, but suggest those that do.

This guy Paul LaGrange in New Orleans has had a call in radio program on WWL 870 for years, this subject comes up all the time on his program. LINK. In a nutshell, he likes ridge vents on roofs with longer ridge lines, turbines on roofs with short ridges, and does not recommend electrically operated power ventilators.
Posted by Baers Foot
Louisiana Ragin' Cajuns
Member since Dec 2011
3540 posts
Posted on 5/31/23 at 4:53 pm to
Thanks for the info. I'll probably add closing up my ridge vents and adding turbines to my list of things to do.
Posted by F73ME
SE LA
Member since May 2018
856 posts
Posted on 6/1/23 at 7:47 am to
I know this doesn't address your question at all, but has anyone ever tried a false chimney that vents the attic? The "stack" would serve the same purpose as it does in normal fireplaces and stoves, that is - to induce more draft. seems like it would be an aesthetically pleasing way to keep the attic space cooler.
Posted by RaginCajunz
Member since Mar 2009
5310 posts
Posted on 6/1/23 at 7:56 am to
It makes sense. They do make dormer vents that I saw in my google research.

Posted by Nawlens Gator
louisiana
Member since Sep 2005
5827 posts
Posted on 6/1/23 at 4:36 pm to
Closing up ridge vents when adding turbines is a bad idea. The idea that the ridge vents will short circuit the air flow is wrong. What's important is the sum of open area through all vents. Cooler air enters through the soffit vents, warms in the attic which decreases density, and rises through the open vent areas. With more vent area, air flow volume increases and attic air temperatures are reduced. I have both ridge vents and turbines for this reason. Short circuiting is a myth. Air flow is always from soffit vent up through all vent openings.



This post was edited on 6/1/23 at 8:48 pm
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