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Shumard red oak
Posted on 4/1/24 at 4:43 pm
Posted on 4/1/24 at 4:43 pm
Considering a Shumard in my backyard. Looking for a fast growing shade tree to replace a tree I had to remove.
Google says they grow to about 80' high and 50'.
The spot I plan on planting it is about 25-28' away from my house, so even at full size i should be good on house clearance. I also have a pool, but the spot it will be planted is about 30' away from the nearest part of the pool. So again I think I should be good on clearance there.
Just curious if anyone had any first hand experience with planting/growing them? And if so do you agree my clearances should be good to avoid any structures or leaf drop into my pool? Anything else about the tree I may not be thinking of?
Any first hand thoughts on growth rate? Google says 3+' per year, wondering if that sounds accurate?
I'm in Houston if that matters.
Also, is it too late to plant one? Curious if I should plant now or wait until early fall?
Google says they grow to about 80' high and 50'.
The spot I plan on planting it is about 25-28' away from my house, so even at full size i should be good on house clearance. I also have a pool, but the spot it will be planted is about 30' away from the nearest part of the pool. So again I think I should be good on clearance there.
Just curious if anyone had any first hand experience with planting/growing them? And if so do you agree my clearances should be good to avoid any structures or leaf drop into my pool? Anything else about the tree I may not be thinking of?
Any first hand thoughts on growth rate? Google says 3+' per year, wondering if that sounds accurate?
I'm in Houston if that matters.
Also, is it too late to plant one? Curious if I should plant now or wait until early fall?
This post was edited on 4/1/24 at 4:48 pm
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Posted on 4/1/24 at 4:50 pm to DukeSilver
How big are you going to plant? It’s not too late if done right.
Posted on 4/1/24 at 5:10 pm to DukeSilver
Google says 3+' per year
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I would thing 1.5 to 2 feet a year may be more accurate.
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I would thing 1.5 to 2 feet a year may be more accurate.
Posted on 4/1/24 at 5:10 pm to DukeSilver
They are commonly planted up here in Dallas and are good, fairly fast growing trees. One thing they don't like is wet feet so don't plant it in a low area and always plant so the rootball is a couple of inches above grade. Your clearance to your house is probably good but I think the leaves blowing into your pool in the fall are going to be a PIA. My neighbor has one and they drop a lot of leaves over the course of 2-3 months.
Posted on 4/2/24 at 5:44 am to DukeSilver
I personally would not elect to plant that tree any where near the pool. The amount of leaves that drop into the pool will be substantial. Not a chance for me. Too much work too often.
Posted on 4/2/24 at 7:12 am to windmill
Their leaves don't drop in Houston until late November/early December. Not many people using pools still, at that time.
Posted on 4/2/24 at 8:25 am to windmill
I agree. I don’t think the OP has enough room for this tree, in relation to the house or the pool.
Posted on 4/2/24 at 9:03 am to turkish
For those that don't think there is room or wouldn't want to bother with the leaves, what would you recommend?
I was also considering an Autumn Blaze Maple, like the look of those and are supposed to be one of the fastest growing maples.
I was also considering an Autumn Blaze Maple, like the look of those and are supposed to be one of the fastest growing maples.
Posted on 4/2/24 at 9:55 am to DukeSilver
They are majestic trees with bright foliage in the fall, but they drop huge leaves in the fall. Your pool will receive plenty of leaves. Consider a Drake Elm, a semi-evergreen tree, or another evergreen tree.
Posted on 4/2/24 at 11:03 am to DukeSilver
Willow oak will make less mess regarding leaf drop but won’t have that bright red fall color. If you really want an oak then Willow could be a better option.
Posted on 4/2/24 at 11:51 am to DukeSilver
great tree, fast grower
other similar in growth habit are willow oak and blackjack oak. very pretty trees when young and they dont take over like a live oak.
very highly recommended for residential yards
other similar in growth habit are willow oak and blackjack oak. very pretty trees when young and they dont take over like a live oak.
very highly recommended for residential yards
Posted on 4/2/24 at 12:25 pm to AyyyBaw
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Willow oak will make less mess regarding leaf drop but won’t have that bright red fall color. If you really want an oak then Willow could be a better option.
Looks like Willow Oak's lose their leaves as well, what makes them less messy than the Shumard?
Posted on 4/2/24 at 12:30 pm to DukeSilver
the leaves are much smaller and they stay on the trees longer (they don’t dump all at once). I have a couple dozen willow oaks and they are good roommates
Posted on 4/2/24 at 12:54 pm to cgrand
Look to be roughly the same size as the Shumard?
So main benefit would be leaf clean up in the winter?
And if I decided to go a bit smaller than a Shumard/Willow Oak, anyone have any other recommendations?
Thoughts on the Autumn Blaze Red maple or even a Bald Cypress for a Texas backyard?
So main benefit would be leaf clean up in the winter?
And if I decided to go a bit smaller than a Shumard/Willow Oak, anyone have any other recommendations?
Thoughts on the Autumn Blaze Red maple or even a Bald Cypress for a Texas backyard?
This post was edited on 4/2/24 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 4/2/24 at 1:21 pm to DukeSilver
Also consider a Nuttall Oak. Similar to Shumard
Posted on 4/2/24 at 5:32 pm to DukeSilver
Bald cypress leaves are a bitch when they drop they are hard to sweep/clean up and you also have the knees.
You’re on the right track with the oaks honestly if you want a big tree (eventually). If you want a smaller tree a drake elm or a birch is a good option or a slower growing tree like a sycamore. Depends on how long you’ll be there I guess
You’re on the right track with the oaks honestly if you want a big tree (eventually). If you want a smaller tree a drake elm or a birch is a good option or a slower growing tree like a sycamore. Depends on how long you’ll be there I guess
Posted on 4/2/24 at 7:31 pm to cgrand
Oaks better than maples?
Posted on 4/2/24 at 7:46 pm to DukeSilver
swamp red maple is a native and has red color in the fall. Also a nice choice
not going to get nearly as tall as the oaks
not going to get nearly as tall as the oaks
Posted on 4/2/24 at 8:43 pm to DukeSilver
Honestly, when planting trees close enough to a house, I'd certainly plant maples rather than oaks, due to mature height.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 10:09 am to DukeSilver
quote:If it were me, I'd go with a Drake Elm.
For those that don't think there is room or wouldn't want to bother with the leaves, what would you recommend?
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