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Settle a debate - RE: power tools
Posted on 11/8/22 at 6:57 am
Posted on 11/8/22 at 6:57 am
My dad and I have been discussing buying power tools from different stores. He thinks that DeWalt makes a lowes/HD version and then there is the smaller venues (Northern Tool, electrical/plumbing supply, etc) version which he believes to be more rugged. His reasoning is based solely on price savings from HD/Lowes and that since they’re cheaper, they must be inferior. He’s an older feller and set in his ways.
I subscribe to cheaper batteries in the HD/Lowes ones and thus the savings but the actual tools are standard. Hard for me to think that DeWalt/Milwaukee would water down their brand over a few bucks.
What say you folks?
TIA
I subscribe to cheaper batteries in the HD/Lowes ones and thus the savings but the actual tools are standard. Hard for me to think that DeWalt/Milwaukee would water down their brand over a few bucks.
What say you folks?
TIA
Posted on 11/8/22 at 7:03 am to TaderSalad
I think the “exclusive” models may have some cost-cutting measures by design. However, each model number is constructed to equal quality across the line. This is for manufacturing and order fulfillment costs rather than trying to engineer savings by distributor.
Posted on 11/8/22 at 7:08 am to LSUtigerME
Taders dad - 1
Tader - 0
Thanks for the response
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Thanks for the response
Posted on 11/8/22 at 7:47 am to TaderSalad
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He thinks that DeWalt makes a lowes/HD version and then there is the smaller venues (Northern Tool, electrical/plumbing supply, etc) version which he believes to be more rugged.
He thinks wrong. Smaller distributors may carry specialty tools that big box stores never stock but for the common models there is no difference. Same goes for Milwaukee, Makita, etc.
Posted on 11/8/22 at 7:48 am to TaderSalad
Just going to say I didnt validate this chart or anything, but I think you get the point that there are only a handful of OEMs making all the power tools.
Posted on 11/8/22 at 8:10 am to TaderSalad
He's probably right. They're shaving nickels somewhere.
This post was edited on 11/8/22 at 8:11 am
Posted on 11/8/22 at 8:46 am to TigerGman
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He's probably right. They're shaving nickels somewhere.
It's usually in Customer Programming (Ad support, markdown allowances, return& defective allowances etc.)
As previously mentioned - a few suppliers are OEM'ing for everyone.
Harbor Freight is an exception in that they go factory direct vs ,for example, TTI is a middle man between the factory and Home Depot. Doesnt' mean HF is better (it's not) but that allows them to offer a consumer value that doesn't work w/ a 2 step distribution model others use
Posted on 11/8/22 at 9:07 am to TaderSalad
I believe he is correct. A friend of mine who is a building contractor told me this several years ago. Also, its a known fact that John Deere products sold at the big box stores are different than those from a dealer.
Posted on 11/8/22 at 9:54 am to Skippy1013
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Also, its a known fact that John Deere products sold at the big box stores are different than those from a dealer.
Depends. A dealer can and usually does sell the exact same models as a big box. A dealer also has access to the entire product line, where a big box will usually offer 4-6 models. A D100 from HD is the same as a D100 from a dealer though.
Posted on 11/8/22 at 10:01 am to TaderSalad
Dewalt makes different models of the same tool. The different models have different specifications. The tool with the better specs is going to cost more. I don't think you can say the specialty store exclusively carries the higher-spec models while the big box store only carries the lower-spec models.
Posted on 11/8/22 at 10:57 am to TaderSalad
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I subscribe to cheaper batteries in the HD/Lowes ones and thus the savings but the actual tools are standard.
I think you may have it backwards. Even harbor freight seems to put good Samsung made LiIon cells in their batteries. You can watch videos on YouTube where they cut open packs
I do believe your Dad is right. I'm willing to bet HD and Lowe's has a Walmart type business model where they go to a manufacturer and give them a price point to meet. The tool is probably spec'ed to meet the price point for the big box stores so they can sell low as possible. Different brands may not adhere to the business model and might sell the same identical tool at Home Depot as they do through another retailer...can't make a blanket statement for all.
DeWalt is Stanley Black and Decker. I believe they will most definitely bend to meet the price point and sell in volume. Battery packs are probably the same when it comes to retailer.
Posted on 11/8/22 at 1:04 pm to Skippy1013
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Yeah, but I don't think they say they are selling the same model. It's a model specifically made to sell at the box store. It's not apples to apples. If you are buying model XXX at the box store and find the same model XXX at another store, it should be identical. Problem comes when Home Depot then sells Model XXX-a which is a sub-model specific to their inventory.
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Also, its a known fact that John Deere products sold at the big box stores are different than those from a dealer.
Yeah, but I don't think they say they are selling the same model. It's a model specifically made to sell at the box store. It's not apples to apples. If you are buying model XXX at the box store and find the same model XXX at another store, it should be identical. Problem comes when Home Depot then sells Model XXX-a which is a sub-model specific to their inventory.
Posted on 11/8/22 at 3:39 pm to Skippy1013
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A friend of mine who is a building contractor told me this several years ago.
Doesn't mean he knows what he's talking about. A DeWalt DCD999 from Home Depot is exactly the same as a DCD999 sold at Northern Tool and also exactly the same as a DCD999 sold by a local private tool supply company. DeWalt has 8 seperate 20V drill/drivers, almost double that if you include models with hammer function. Not many places are going to carry every variation and big retailers often don't have a clue what they are stocking, if you keep an eye out you can some times find a higher spec'd tool listed for the price of a cheaper model.
Posted on 11/8/22 at 4:48 pm to TaderSalad
Maybe you and your Dad can get Project Farm in on the debate of same models from different stores.
I do believe the "exclusive" models of the brands will probably be the inferior ones
"We're going to test that!"
Posted on 11/8/22 at 7:32 pm to TaderSalad
Appreciate all the responses.
Posted on 11/8/22 at 8:57 pm to TaderSalad
It is cheaper to make a bunch of the same exact thing than to make varying quality of the same thing. I have been in factories that make the same thing for different brands and they do not change how they make what they are making, they just change the label and packaging.
Posted on 11/9/22 at 12:53 am to TaderSalad
HD and Lowe's get a price competitive tool , yes it's lesser.
Toilets, water heaters are the same,delta , Kohler faucets are all a lower grade the trim is the came the components are plastic
Toilets, water heaters are the same,delta , Kohler faucets are all a lower grade the trim is the came the components are plastic
Posted on 11/11/22 at 4:13 am to Clames
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Doesn't mean he knows what he's talking about. A DeWalt DCD999 from Home Depot is exactly the same as a DCD999 sold at Northern Tool and also exactly the same as a DCD999 sold by a local private tool supply company.
This is the key and is correct. If the model number on the tool is the same it is packed from the same line with the same internals. Where you often see the pricing difference is in the batteries and sometimes chargers included in the value priced and Black Friday doorbuster sets. It is not unusual to see lower amp-hour batteries in the big box store "$99" combos.
The smaller specialty stores don't usually carry the value line of actual tools as tend to cater to more people where the tool makes them money. Those same people aren't usually interested in 1.2 amp hour batteries.
The OP's dad's theory is rooted in urban legend mixed with a grain of truth. The truth is if you squint a Dewalt DCF809 impact looks like a DCF887 and the kits will have nearly a $200 price difference with 2 batteries and a charger but the difference is significant between the tools and the batteries included. You likely won't be able to buy the $99 DCF809 kits with 2 1.3Ah batteries at a specialty store which leads to the perception that the specialty store sells a "better" tool but if you compare the DCF887 from HD to the specialty store the tool will be the same.
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