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re: New A/C Pricing is Out of Control
Posted on 8/13/25 at 6:50 am to DiamondDog
Posted on 8/13/25 at 6:50 am to DiamondDog
I have a geothermal system that’s 15yrs old and replacement will be needed soon - going to be well over $30k.
I chose to replace the evaporator coil this year ($5k) and pray that helps my compressor last longer.
I chose to replace the evaporator coil this year ($5k) and pray that helps my compressor last longer.
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Posted on 8/13/25 at 7:43 am to Shexter
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He's getting BOTH units replaced, so it's 2 complete units.
Plus ductwork. That was around $5k for me last year for 18 registers plus a new return installed
Posted on 8/13/25 at 7:52 am to DiamondDog
had to do pretty much the same exact thing in 2019. New 5 ton and 4 ton units with heat and new ducts. It was $27k for Daiken. Cheapest quote i got out of 6 different companies was $23k.
Posted on 8/13/25 at 7:54 am to DiamondDog
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They claim my ducts are undersized for my house, it's poorly laid out and thats why it's so hot in parts of the house. System is under strain.
The HVAC pros on HVAC-Talk AOP (ask our professionals) forum repeatedly state the most common issue they see with clients home comfort problems (aside from insulation & and a leaky house envelope) is over-sized equipment (tonnage) with undersized ductwork. Manual D calculations are used to determine correct duct work size, Manual J heat-cooling load for equipment sizing, and Manual S actual equipment (tonnage) sizing.
Point I’m trying to make is that duct work sizing, both return & supply air, is often the problem with home comfort issues and not the tonnage of equipment. Tonnage is rarely undersized.
This post was edited on 8/18/25 at 8:32 am
Posted on 8/13/25 at 8:03 am to CrawDude
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Point I’m trying to make is that duct working sizing, both return & supply air, is often the problem with home comfort issues and not the tonnage of equipment. Tonnage is rarely undersized.
I can attest to that. As i said, we had a 5 ton and 4 ton replaced in 2019 and we didn't go bigger or smaller, just replaced with the same size. they said the duct work was undersized going to certain rooms so changed that, added a new intake, widened another one, and changed out some of the vents so they would blow a certain way.
My complaint before the change was one of the bedrooms was always hot in the afternoon, and the dining room was always hot. The different vents were put in those two rooms changing how and where the air blows. Problem was solved.
I"m not a HVAC expert, but talking to all the different companies that came out and quoted, I could tell who knew what they were talking about and who didn't.
Posted on 8/13/25 at 9:10 am to DiamondDog
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They claim my ducts are undersized for my house, it's poorly laid out and thats why it's so hot in parts of the house. System is under strain.
I think it seems really expensive but my family wouldn't lie to me. He thought they're actually giving me the duct work for free.
These are heat pump units so I'm not sure if that makes a difference. So the price is a complete rebuild.
I'm a bit confused because I googled and these units seem much much cheaper but I'm not sure it's complete or just the compressor.
Current system is 9 years old. It's working. I'm probably being a bit preventative but I have small kids and its been a hassle heating the home last couple winters when they babies.
If its working I certainly would't replace, especially with Trump in office as its very possible some changes are made to the systems as there are a lot of EPA BS in them right now.
2ndly, get more quotes. Respectfully to family, that's not a cheap quote. The mark up on new systems is extremely high. They make a killing on replacing units.
One of the reasons duct work is "undersized" on new units is because new units are using stronger fans than old systems to push more air faster instead of less air for a longer slower time, to be more efficient. One option is to turn your blower down to a lower setting (slower).
Posted on 8/13/25 at 9:47 am to baldona
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as its very possible some changes are made to the systems as there are a lot of EPA BS in them right now.
The entire supply chain would have to adapt and it'd be 3-5 years before anything made it to my doorstep.
I will take the advice and shop. Trane has the 0% deal and probably the only reason I'm entertaining this.
Posted on 8/13/25 at 10:05 am to DiamondDog
I don't see it being reversed. These huge companies have too much invested in the newer technologies.
Posted on 8/13/25 at 10:21 am to DiamondDog
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I am having both A/Cs and duct work redone in this house.
I am having two Trane Heat Pump Deluxe units installed.
It's $33,500. Happy frickin Tuesday. Going back with Goodman would be about $26K.
The ductwork alone is 6-8k for both. That brings you down to roughly 26k if you decide not to do it. 13k for 2 units installed? What size are they? The a bit bit high even for 5 ton units. Heat pump units generally are higher in price anyway. If you are in a hot climate just go with a reg unit w/ furnace. I hardly ever turn my heater on anyway in the winter bc i have a fireplace. Heat pump units runs year round and have a shorter life span in general
Posted on 8/13/25 at 10:43 am to WigSplitta22
Just came to say that the hvac sub reddits are full of good info
r/hvac
r/hvacadvice
r/hvac
r/hvacadvice
Posted on 8/13/25 at 11:17 am to DiamondDog
does homeowners insurance help with that? or a warranty coverage?
Posted on 8/13/25 at 11:21 am to TDsngumbo
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Umm, unless I don’t know wtf I’m talking about, a Trane should last you 20 years.
I don't think that will apply to the A2L Tranes. I just replaced two Trane condensers that were 20+ years old, they weighed considerably more than the new ones, I think you have to be much more mindful of the entire installation process as well as upkeep and protection to get that kind of lifespan now. Mine are well shielded by the house itself, mostly shaded all day.
Posted on 8/13/25 at 11:54 am to redfish99
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According to my guy ALL the coils are shite
can confirm. Just had mine replaced, under warranty, because the coil failed on a 2 year old unit. insane
Posted on 8/13/25 at 12:02 pm to billjamin
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I have two of their pieces of shite. Replaced a coil every couple years in them and they voided the extended warranty on one for a failure to register. Google their class action lawsuit for their raging piece of shite coils. They’re a shitty company.
OP shop it. HVAC is full of sales bro business models now.
went with Trane in a new home build in 2009. none of the coils made it 10 yrs. who'd a thought copper + alum + moisture would lead to corrosion?
Posted on 8/13/25 at 12:23 pm to LEASTBAY
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I don't see it being reversed. These huge companies have too much invested in the newer technologies.
Especially since they were the ones pushing the gov for many of the changes. Trump could eliminate every single reg regarding the hvac industry and it likely wouldn't change anything for the next 3.5 years.
Posted on 8/13/25 at 12:44 pm to Turnblad85
Well my new Trane is working great 1 week in. I added remote sensors in a few of the rooms and it takes an average. The outside unit is much quieter.
AC company was just trying to sell me a condenser for my old carrier because they compressor was going out. I told them I wanted the entire thing replaced.
AC company was just trying to sell me a condenser for my old carrier because they compressor was going out. I told them I wanted the entire thing replaced.
Posted on 8/13/25 at 1:06 pm to Jmcc64
I'd kill for a 10 year coil life. I'm luck to make it 3.
Posted on 8/13/25 at 2:16 pm to billjamin
My carrier was 15. That's why I replaced the entire unit instead of just the condenser like the company was recommending. Just so happened to find a place that recommends the cheapest option.
Posted on 8/13/25 at 2:21 pm to LEASTBAY
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My carrier was 15. That's why I replaced the entire unit instead of just the condenser like the company was recommending. Just so happened to find a place that recommends the cheapest option.
I'm getting prices on redoing my whole system. I'm sick to death of this thing breaking every summer and 1/3 summers i need a new coil.
Posted on 8/13/25 at 2:43 pm to billjamin
I just called one company. They refused to do the duct work in the summer. They want to replace the system and then come back in October and November.
These folks can't be serious. Must not be hungry enough.
I'll try calling another company.
These folks can't be serious. Must not be hungry enough.
I'll try calling another company.
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