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re: What are some of your thoughts on the carnivore diet
Posted on 2/24/21 at 11:59 am to Stagliano
Posted on 2/24/21 at 11:59 am to Stagliano
Not sure about that, but keto works if you are faithful to it.
The problem with diets though, are once you get off if them, the weight can come back if you don't watch your eating habits constantly.
The problem with diets though, are once you get off if them, the weight can come back if you don't watch your eating habits constantly.
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Posted on 2/24/21 at 12:00 pm to GhostofLesticleMiles
Keto/Carnivores bros are on the same level as Crossfit bros in comedic value.
This post was edited on 2/24/21 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 2/24/21 at 12:01 pm to Centinel
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Your example you provided drank a daily protein shake, drank whole milk, and had a daily intake of vegetables.
Wrong
Posted on 2/24/21 at 12:02 pm to Dragula
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Keto/Carnivores bros are on the same level as Crossfit bros in comedic value.
i wouldnt say specifically just those....anyone that consistently hammers any form of diet as the end all be all is in that same catagory of being cultish.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 12:06 pm to lsu777
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i wouldnt say specifically just those....anyone that consistently hammers any form of diet as the end all be all is in that same catagory of being cultish.
Agree... Those mentioned just tend to be fanatical on "thier way".
Posted on 2/24/21 at 12:09 pm to lsu777
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Therefore most of the dip comes from the caloric deficit itself once a person is excreting ketones i.e. fat adapted.
Yes, I agree. You can supplement with exogenous ketones.
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Starting a keto diet and begining serious resistance training is going to bring about very favorable performance improvements and body comp improvments
Yes, I agree. Any change from the standard 'Merican diet plus exercise is all but miraculous for the general population.
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Even in the military this is the case.
Yes I agree. Dominic D'Ag0stino has done extensive studies on this.
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For individuals that depend on weight classes it is also a very viable option
Though this one was a stretch. Elite artistic gymnasts....
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in the end though, everyone should just find the diet that allows them to stay consistently in a caloric deficit and consume a proper amount of protein. if you do that consistently you will acheive your goals.
Couldn't agree more!
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If you are looking to start keto, i recommend a science based approach with Ketogains
Yes, Bro. I already Keto.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 12:12 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Wrong
Oh wait....that's my example of an actual nutritionist that did it. Your example was an author that in fact did not detail his entire actual diet. Or at least your article left off those details. Can't mess up the narrative after all.
Again, funny that.
Why is it that you can't give any examples of someone who followed that diet, and were also up front about their entire diet, not just the junk food they ate?
Posted on 2/24/21 at 12:40 pm to lsu777
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i wouldnt say specifically just those....anyone that consistently hammers any form of diet as the end all be all is in that same catagory of being cultish.
Kige. I'm eating carnivore for the second time and with the positive results I'm getting again I regret stopping the first time. That make this diet right for everyone and I would never promote it as such. Whatever diet works best for an individual to be healthy and happy is what they should follow.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 12:50 pm to GhostofLesticleMiles
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Though this one was a stretch. Elite artistic gymnasts....
haha it was just a study to see how VLCD held up in strength based athletes that rely on the strength per lbs aspect
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Yes, Bro. I already Keto.
sorry wasnt specifically talking about you just in general.
In general I tell people to get in a caloric deficit and make sure they get 1 gram of protein per lbs of bodyweight. Fill the rest of your calories up however you please.
I personally prefer ketoish but I tend to like to do things very strict for periods of time and have been doing this plenty long enough to know what I am doing when i stop keto or dieting in general.
One thing i hate about keto/carnivore/vegans whatever is the fricking cult behavior that some of these people start having. and also the uneducated BS, which tends to be worse in the keto community for some reason. Especially in the whole if you are eating keto you will lose bodyfat no matter your caloric intake because it burns fat for fuel crowd. Hate those people.
I will say one great thing about keto, almost any restruant you go to....has something that is perfectly fine to eat and stay within caloric limits.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 1:18 pm to dclt145
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What I was getting at is that people assume that Keto is some kind of magic diet that allows you to burn fat faster.
The magic of a keto diet to burn fat is that once you enter ketosis you don't lose muscle while being in a caloric deficit. The only thing that can break down into ketones is fat. All other diets can burn muscle because muscle can break down into insulin. Someone could correct this statement, I can't remember if it's true, that muscle is easier to breakdown into insulin than fat is.
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But how about fried foods?
The actual okinawa diet fries a lot of food in pig lard. And there's quite a bit of fermented food. So if you are frying food in lard or coconut type oils it may be fine to some extent. If you use vegetable, conola, etc. oils it is really, really bad.
https://www.tendergrassfedmeat.com/2011/03/01/eat-fat-live-long%e2%80%94the-real-food-of-okinawa/
edit: meant to say glucose instead of insulin
This post was edited on 2/24/21 at 8:32 pm
Posted on 2/24/21 at 1:22 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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No, I mean sticking with 100% protein but frying as an alternative to mix it up from time to time. Like fried chicken or fried fish
Real true carnivore is straight meat. Frying is going to introduce carbs and oils. I wouldn't make a habit of it, but it's not the end of the world either.
I'm not 100% carnivore, just keto, but you can get away with this by breading in pork rind crumbs instead of bread crumbs. Pork King Good and Porko Panko make them in different seasoned varieties.
You can even use the unseasoned style pork rind crumbs to make pie crusts by mixing it with cocoa. I did this once and it turned out pretty good but never made it again because I don't crave those kinds of foods anymore.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 1:24 pm to lsu777
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sorry wasnt specifically talking about you just in general.
No offense taken. We are on the same page. You've got to "eat less and move more"!
Posted on 2/24/21 at 1:32 pm to zatetic
quote:Are you saying that the pancreas prefers muscle as fuel to create insulin?
The magic of a keto diet to burn fat is that once you enter ketosis you don't lose muscle while being in a caloric deficit. The only thing that can break down into ketones is fat. All other diets can burn muscle because muscle can break down into insulin. Someone could correct this statement, I can't remember if it's true, that muscle is easier to breakdown into insulin than fat is.
In my understanding of both ketosis and being in a fasted state, your body increases production of HGH to protect against muscle loss while your body burns fat for fuel. This makes sense because it would be an idiotic survival mechanism to burn off your muscle every time you were short on food.
I'm honestly not sure what you mean by "muscle can break down into insulin", though, so apologies in advance.
This post was edited on 2/24/21 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 2/24/21 at 2:27 pm to northshorebamaman
Fasting does increase metabolism and hgh. I don't exactly know the details of all the mechanisms of such stuff but my understanding is ketones can only be made from a fat source, so your body can't cannibalize muscle into ketones. Your body can metabolize anything into insulin though, which what I mean with muscle breaking down into insulin.
I'm referring to being in a calorie deficit so that there is no confusion.
Carnivore Diet: Why would it work? What about Nutrients and Fiber?
That is imo a great channel for this stuff. He has several videos on carnivore/keto/nutrition and uses scientific/medical studies. It is hard to compare diets using the same measurable across diets because depending on how close you are to things like full ketosis or carnivore diet you don't need as many nutrients because you aren't getting so many antinutrients, etc. The biochemistry matters a lot along with the hormones. As someone else said, fat is super efficient food so allows for more energy to be expended on developing a bigger brain, while fat also controls hormones, etc.
I'm referring to being in a calorie deficit so that there is no confusion.
Carnivore Diet: Why would it work? What about Nutrients and Fiber?
That is imo a great channel for this stuff. He has several videos on carnivore/keto/nutrition and uses scientific/medical studies. It is hard to compare diets using the same measurable across diets because depending on how close you are to things like full ketosis or carnivore diet you don't need as many nutrients because you aren't getting so many antinutrients, etc. The biochemistry matters a lot along with the hormones. As someone else said, fat is super efficient food so allows for more energy to be expended on developing a bigger brain, while fat also controls hormones, etc.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 2:34 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Mingo Was His NameO
Are you retarded....
Posted on 2/24/21 at 3:17 pm to X123F45
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Rando
what did he say that was incorrect?
remember this isnt the OT anymore, come with facts and studies.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 4:01 pm to lsu777
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what did he say that was incorrect?
remember this isnt the OT anymore, come with facts and studies.
Calories in and calories out is perfectly fine for weight loss.
But weight loss is not health.
As the other poster was pointing out, macros and micronutrients are what determines diet health.
You could lose weight eating straight table sugar, but you'd likely die within a month trying to do it. Once your sodium and potassium goes out of wack you'd start having heart palpitations and die.
This post was edited on 2/24/21 at 4:04 pm
Posted on 2/24/21 at 9:22 pm to X123F45
Bro 90% of the health benefits from a diet come from the weightloss itself. We have posted plenty of studies showing this. Go read Dr Layne Norton.
Once you equate for calories and protein the rest of your diet makes up less than 5% of your results and health benefits.
Sure it's better to eat clean and results will be better but not enough to really matter.
Once you equate for calories and protein the rest of your diet makes up less than 5% of your results and health benefits.
Sure it's better to eat clean and results will be better but not enough to really matter.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 10:10 am to Stagliano
I love the carnivore diet and saw amazing results. Gained plenty of muscle, lost fat, and my joints felt amazing (anti-inflammatory diet), but then I did blood work...
My cholesterol was 692, lol. That was after 60 days on the carnivore diet.
I plan to do 30 days in April, but I will stick to doing it 2X a year.
My cholesterol was 692, lol. That was after 60 days on the carnivore diet.
I plan to do 30 days in April, but I will stick to doing it 2X a year.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 11:49 am to PeteRose
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Dude ate junk food for 30 days and because he lost 10 pounds, he concluded junk food isn’t that bad? I’d like to see what happens if the continues the diet for say 2 years. I bet his vital measure would look like shite even though he has a “normal” weight.
weight loss doesn't automatically correlate to being healthy.
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