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re: tOfficial Running Shoe Thread
Posted on 4/20/20 at 2:00 pm to kballa6
Posted on 4/20/20 at 2:00 pm to kballa6
They were limited release in late February, I think wide release is 6/1. There are a few stores that still have them, I got mine from a store in Michigan.
Let me know how the Rincon is and what you feel it compares to. Those were on my radar.
Let me know how the Rincon is and what you feel it compares to. Those were on my radar.
This post was edited on 4/20/20 at 2:01 pm
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Posted on 4/21/20 at 8:14 am to jordan21210
Put in 7 this morning in the Rincon's. They felt pretty good. Honestly I don't know if I've just grown accustomed to the React Foam, but nothing else feels soft to me after 5 or 6 miles.
I did feel the rocker rolling me forward but when I tried to push the pace I could never get comfortable below 9:00. I did a little progression (9:45 - 9:05, start to finish) and felt good but not great throughout. I feel like the inside of my big toes are screaming at me for some reason.
I'm not sure if I plan to keep them. I'm going to try them on the track in a couple days and see how they do. If I have the same feeling, I'm just going to return them for something else.
I did feel the rocker rolling me forward but when I tried to push the pace I could never get comfortable below 9:00. I did a little progression (9:45 - 9:05, start to finish) and felt good but not great throughout. I feel like the inside of my big toes are screaming at me for some reason.
I'm not sure if I plan to keep them. I'm going to try them on the track in a couple days and see how they do. If I have the same feeling, I'm just going to return them for something else.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 8:15 am to jordan21210
Quick review of the DynaFlyte. I have the 3 but the only thing that has changed it appears, albeit minimally, is the upper between the 3-4. The sole is the same as the 4, which is common for all shoe companies.
This shoe is a Brooks shoe on a diet. Not sure where it's lost weight between brands though because it has the same type of "that's damn near overbuilt" upper that Brooks is known for; so it's supportive but not too much. Big upside as a result, is that it isn't a typical way overbuilt, but somehow half assed effort that we've come to expect from ASICS.
FlyteFoam is neither soft nor hard, bouncy nor flat; it's just there. And that's fine because the ride is pretty consistent whether you plan on going slow, or slower than that.
It a recovery/mileage shoe and that's just fine with me. It's exactly what I need in my rotation right now.
Some downsides are the narrow toe box and oddly enough, when I try to pick it up a little, this shoe hurts my shins. I guess that could be a feature though to keep me where I need to be pace wise for recovery.
It feels like a Brooks, it looks like a Brooks, it's lighter than a Brooks and it's cheaper than a Brooks. Worth a shot if you are tired of clomping around in some heavy assed Brooks which is something I never though I'd say weight wise when talking about ASICS.
This shoe is a Brooks shoe on a diet. Not sure where it's lost weight between brands though because it has the same type of "that's damn near overbuilt" upper that Brooks is known for; so it's supportive but not too much. Big upside as a result, is that it isn't a typical way overbuilt, but somehow half assed effort that we've come to expect from ASICS.
FlyteFoam is neither soft nor hard, bouncy nor flat; it's just there. And that's fine because the ride is pretty consistent whether you plan on going slow, or slower than that.
It a recovery/mileage shoe and that's just fine with me. It's exactly what I need in my rotation right now.
Some downsides are the narrow toe box and oddly enough, when I try to pick it up a little, this shoe hurts my shins. I guess that could be a feature though to keep me where I need to be pace wise for recovery.
It feels like a Brooks, it looks like a Brooks, it's lighter than a Brooks and it's cheaper than a Brooks. Worth a shot if you are tired of clomping around in some heavy assed Brooks which is something I never though I'd say weight wise when talking about ASICS.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 8:24 am to BurtReynoldsMustache
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Put in 7 this morning in the Rincon's. They felt pretty good. Honestly I don't know if I've just grown accustomed to the React Foam, but nothing else feels soft to me after 5 or 6 miles.
My Epics spoiled me. I’ve yet to run in anything similar. I had read the Hyperion Tempo felt similar but I personally don’t find that to be the case. Had also heard the Rincon are softer vs Epic React, so that’s interesting you found they weren’t soft...or did I misread that?
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It feels like a Brooks, it looks like a Brooks, it's lighter than a Brooks and it's cheaper than a Brooks. Worth a shot if you are tired of clomping around in some heavy assed Brooks which is something I never though I'd say weight wise when talking about ASICS.
Asics is having a bit of a renaissance right now. They’ve stripped down the uppers across their lineup and I’ve heard the FlyteFoam is pretty dynamic in the Novablast and the Gel Nimbus Lyte. They’ve got some other shoes coming that utilize the FlyteFoam, will be interesting to see what they do.
This post was edited on 4/21/20 at 8:25 am
Posted on 4/21/20 at 9:13 am to jordan21210
I'm curious what they do with FlyteFoam as well. I'm even more curious if FlyteFoam is the same across all models, or if it's a catch all marketing term for ASICS. Also, get rid of the damn GEL. GEL does nothing but add weight. Before I go into a deep dive on how first impressions say that the reviews are wrong on FlyteFoam, I will instead comment on how runners in general are bad at writing.
I've seen reviews that say FlyteFoam has "pop", or this shoe or that shoe has "pop". I can assure you that Flytefoam does not have "pop". It seems that nobody really knows what "pop" means and just uses it because they don't have a lot of adjectives in their lexicon about what a shoe feels like, or should feel like.
For instance the Go Run Razor 2 did not have pop, or any iteration of the NB 1500 for that matter. That is a shoe that doesn't compress. Something that doesn't move and offers no energy return isn't something I'd describe as poppy. Alternatively a shoe like the 150 dollar Epic React replacement also does not have "pop" as something so soft that it compresses without rebound for no energy return cannot be described as poppy. Insert snappy for pop and it's the same nonsense.
"Snappy": I've heard people say the Next% is snappy. Those people are high on drugs. The Next% is like strapping on two whoopy cushions to your feet but amaze as they don't wear you out somehow because of some magic spell the ghost of Bill Bowerman cast on them.
I thought I'd just have a nice little rant about how I feel about the shoe review business. "Pop" is what people in Michigan call soda, nothing more. Snappy is how you'd describe good restaurant service, nothing more.
I've seen reviews that say FlyteFoam has "pop", or this shoe or that shoe has "pop". I can assure you that Flytefoam does not have "pop". It seems that nobody really knows what "pop" means and just uses it because they don't have a lot of adjectives in their lexicon about what a shoe feels like, or should feel like.
For instance the Go Run Razor 2 did not have pop, or any iteration of the NB 1500 for that matter. That is a shoe that doesn't compress. Something that doesn't move and offers no energy return isn't something I'd describe as poppy. Alternatively a shoe like the 150 dollar Epic React replacement also does not have "pop" as something so soft that it compresses without rebound for no energy return cannot be described as poppy. Insert snappy for pop and it's the same nonsense.
"Snappy": I've heard people say the Next% is snappy. Those people are high on drugs. The Next% is like strapping on two whoopy cushions to your feet but amaze as they don't wear you out somehow because of some magic spell the ghost of Bill Bowerman cast on them.
I thought I'd just have a nice little rant about how I feel about the shoe review business. "Pop" is what people in Michigan call soda, nothing more. Snappy is how you'd describe good restaurant service, nothing more.
This post was edited on 4/21/20 at 9:22 am
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:03 am to BurtReynoldsMustache
Lmao agreed. All the reviews on the infinity react said it had “pop”, felt like I bottomed out with each step. 
As for FlyteFoam, consensus on all reviews is it actually does have pop, but only in the NovaBlast. I think that perceived pop has more to do with the sole design and midsole geometry than the foam though. From what I’ve heard, FlyteFoam is akin to React and ZoomX foam in that Asics will tweak it for different shoes. The Asics Metaracer uses FlyteFoam but it’s a different formulation vs the NovaBlast and other shoes.
In other shoe news, Nike Peg 37 details are out. Full React foam sole + forefoot zoom air unit (its a bag, not a pod like the AlphaFly). Sounds like the Peg 37 is more the Epic React replacement.
As for FlyteFoam, consensus on all reviews is it actually does have pop, but only in the NovaBlast. I think that perceived pop has more to do with the sole design and midsole geometry than the foam though. From what I’ve heard, FlyteFoam is akin to React and ZoomX foam in that Asics will tweak it for different shoes. The Asics Metaracer uses FlyteFoam but it’s a different formulation vs the NovaBlast and other shoes.
In other shoe news, Nike Peg 37 details are out. Full React foam sole + forefoot zoom air unit (its a bag, not a pod like the AlphaFly). Sounds like the Peg 37 is more the Epic React replacement.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 12:16 pm to jordan21210
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so that’s interesting you found they weren’t soft...or did I misread that?
They are soft, but not ZFF soft or Clifton soft. I find them closer to a Pegasus Turbo than anything.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 12:58 pm to kballa6
Ah, glad I passed on the Rincon then. Tried Peg Turbo 1’s and didn’t like them at all.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 2:14 pm to jordan21210
I really want a pair of pink Next %, but can't really justify it as I have a pair of VFFK 4% that I use for racing with only 36 miles on them. That said, I have 185 on a pair of ZFFK, so I can always begin to phase those out and use the 4% for speedwork.
Did a tempo run in the Boston 7 today and they don't compare with the ZFFK as far as a speed/tempo shoe for me. I know that's an unpopular opinion here and in general, but I just feel like they're flat/stale and hard as a brick. The upper is the only thing that works for me. I've tried to make them work, but I find myself reaching for them just to log miles on em.
Has anyone run in any combo of ZFFK, VF4%, Next%. Question about sizing if so... I sized up a 1/2 between the ZFFK & VF4%. Just wondering where I would fall in the Next%, as they aren't Flyknit, but Vaporweave.
Did a tempo run in the Boston 7 today and they don't compare with the ZFFK as far as a speed/tempo shoe for me. I know that's an unpopular opinion here and in general, but I just feel like they're flat/stale and hard as a brick. The upper is the only thing that works for me. I've tried to make them work, but I find myself reaching for them just to log miles on em.
Has anyone run in any combo of ZFFK, VF4%, Next%. Question about sizing if so... I sized up a 1/2 between the ZFFK & VF4%. Just wondering where I would fall in the Next%, as they aren't Flyknit, but Vaporweave.
This post was edited on 4/21/20 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 4/21/20 at 3:19 pm to TigeRoots
I've have the next%, zoom fly fly knit, and been through probably 8 pairs of the original zoom fly and size wise they feel the same to me.
the biggest difference and the feature i don't like is the fly knit upper. the material doesn't lock down and my foot always feels loose in the shoe which may indicate a half size down in the fly knit would make a better fit.
The vaporweave makes for a snug fit but i don't think a half size in either direction would make a better.
I've also ran many miles in the Boston 7 but most of them on the treadmill. the lower stack height makes them feel more stable on the mill and the firm feel is reduced. street wise they don't have the same speed feel as zooms but still think they are a good shoe for the price.
the biggest difference and the feature i don't like is the fly knit upper. the material doesn't lock down and my foot always feels loose in the shoe which may indicate a half size down in the fly knit would make a better fit.
The vaporweave makes for a snug fit but i don't think a half size in either direction would make a better.
I've also ran many miles in the Boston 7 but most of them on the treadmill. the lower stack height makes them feel more stable on the mill and the firm feel is reduced. street wise they don't have the same speed feel as zooms but still think they are a good shoe for the price.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 3:29 pm to ks_nola
Yeah, I got them (B7), for like $50, so can’t complain. If I do get a pair of the N%, I’ll probably stick to my normal size 10, because come to think of it, I have to wear thicker socks to prevent heel slippage in the VF4%. Hence your lockdown complaint. I don’t have the same problem in the ZFFK, although they do come untied at times. Which is obviously not acceptable in a race.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 3:40 pm to ks_nola
My take.
I have primarily run in the original ZF, ZFFK, ZFFK 4%, ZF3, and Next %. I have ordered the same size (11) in every pair I've owned.
Original ZF - Fit good, felt I had extra room in the toe box, but overall good fit.
ZFFK - Completely snug fit. No movement in the heel, toe box is tight. Overall fits like a sock on me.
ZFFK 4% - Almost exactly the same, but I do feel they are a little more snug. However, I've only put ~50 miles on them, 26.2 in one race, so that may be why they are still so snug. I would caution using these for speed work as I feel like every mile I put on them, they wear down like I just ran 50, but man they feel so good when I put them on and get moving.
ZF3 - Good mix between original and FK version. Toe box is snug but breathable. No heel slippage. Feels bulkier than the FK but more durable. I have two pair of these now and all of my long runs are in them.
Next % - Fits like the ZF3 but better. Feels as good as the 4% but better and more durable. I'd wear this shoe for every run if I could afford it.
I have primarily run in the original ZF, ZFFK, ZFFK 4%, ZF3, and Next %. I have ordered the same size (11) in every pair I've owned.
Original ZF - Fit good, felt I had extra room in the toe box, but overall good fit.
ZFFK - Completely snug fit. No movement in the heel, toe box is tight. Overall fits like a sock on me.
ZFFK 4% - Almost exactly the same, but I do feel they are a little more snug. However, I've only put ~50 miles on them, 26.2 in one race, so that may be why they are still so snug. I would caution using these for speed work as I feel like every mile I put on them, they wear down like I just ran 50, but man they feel so good when I put them on and get moving.
ZF3 - Good mix between original and FK version. Toe box is snug but breathable. No heel slippage. Feels bulkier than the FK but more durable. I have two pair of these now and all of my long runs are in them.
Next % - Fits like the ZF3 but better. Feels as good as the 4% but better and more durable. I'd wear this shoe for every run if I could afford it.
This post was edited on 4/21/20 at 3:41 pm
Posted on 4/21/20 at 4:10 pm to TigeRoots
If you have $200+ burning a hole in your pocket, might be worth waiting a bit for Saucony Endorphin Pro and NB FuelCell RC to release.
Every review on the Endorphin Pro has been glowing. I think it’s the first real shoe on the same level as the N%. The NB FuelCell RC isn’t in reviewers hands yet, but based on the reception of the NB FuelCell TC it should be really good.
Every review on the Endorphin Pro has been glowing. I think it’s the first real shoe on the same level as the N%. The NB FuelCell RC isn’t in reviewers hands yet, but based on the reception of the NB FuelCell TC it should be really good.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 8:33 am to jordan21210
I really like the look of the Fuel Cell and Endorphine Pro. I saw Nike showed the Pegasus 37 yesterday. I've never tried the 36, but hear they are a go to for most types of runs.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 6:42 pm to kballa6
So I got the Reebok Floatride Energy 2 based on reviews from this board. I had my first run in them yesterday...they live up to the hype! Very comfortable shoes. The heel fit perfectly out of the box, which is usually an issue for me. I may have to figure out how to tie them tighter over the forefoot because there is definitely extra room in the toe box. But it wasn't loose or sliding around, so not a big issue. The midsole foam was great, soft yet springy, but I don't think they'll be as good as my Boston 8's for faster runs. Basically, they have performed just as described on here, and I couldn't have been more pleased. I'll be using these often. Hopefully they hold up for a long time; they look like they will.
Thanks for the reviews and recommendations guys!
Thanks for the reviews and recommendations guys!
Posted on 4/24/20 at 8:29 am to HandGrenade
Just a heads up...use code EXTRA60 on Reebok’s website for 60% off of sale items. Floatride Run Fast for $51.99. As tempted as I am, don’t need another pair right now.
Posted on 4/24/20 at 10:04 am to jordan21210
$38.51 for a pair of Forever Floatride Energy's? Take my money.
This post was edited on 4/24/20 at 10:05 am
Posted on 4/24/20 at 11:44 am to jordan21210
Wow. Now I'm contemplating whether I need floatrides and another pair of Nanos
Posted on 4/24/20 at 2:39 pm to HeLeakin
Kind of an easy decision when you consider that running shoes don't go bad sitting in a box in a closet and you know that you will eventually use them.
Posted on 4/24/20 at 5:06 pm to DownSouthJukin
Yeah, that's a great deal for that shoe. Reebok is on my shitlist right now. They dropped me as a shoe tester. Never even got to test a single effin shoe.
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