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3nOut
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tOfficial Running Shoe Thread
been a bit of clamoring for a Master thread so I'm making one and hoping it will get sticked by the mods.

First 2 rules on shoes:

1: Go get fitted. Have somebody actually watch you run, figure out your gait, pronation, cadence, etc. and recommend shoes. They may be wrong and not get the right shoe initially. But I promise that most running shoe stores are going to have a better idea of what works for you than an hourly employee at Dicks or Academy (meant with no offense to them.)

2. One size does not fit all. Some people swear by Brooks, New Balance, Mizuno, HOKA, OnCloud, Altra, Nike, Adidas, etc. They can't all be wrong and they can't all be right. I personally hate Nike. Nothing to do with their politics or anything, but I just haven't loved running in any of their shoes. However, Galen Rupp rocks them and quite a few world class athletes run in them, so there's something there. Take recommendations from others with a grain of salt. They may say HOKA is the only shoe that they'll ever wear again... but you may try HOKA and not like the feel of it. I did not. Doesn't make them wrong, just didn't work for you


Some basics about how the foot works running.


Pronation

Pronation is how your foot rolls when you run. If it gets severe and you don't correct it, you can damage your foot pretty badly.

Image: https://i2.wp.com/www.innovativefootandankle.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/best-running-shoe-300x206-300x206.jpg?fit=300%2C300


Something I would recommend is try to fix your pronation through exercise and correcting your running form.

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Shoes can help with this as well. My wife is a severe overpronator. She's ran in Nikes, Reeboks and Asics and they all didn't correct her pronation. I tried every stability shoe I could find including Mizuno, Brooks, NB, etc. Turns out she loved a $30 pair of Sauconys made for overpronation and voila they're her favorite shoe when we got some custom arches.

Overpronation Shoes
RunnerClick
Runner's World

Underpronation/Supination Shoes
RunnerClick
ShoeKicker




Heel Drop

Heel drop is not a big deal for me. I've never worn a shoe and had an issue with the heel drop. In fact when i've tried Altra or HOKAs with 0mm heel drop i didn't love it, but some swear by it. It just depends on your foot and running style. The idea of a lower heel drop is that your foot is flush and there's no bouncing in the shoe when you strike the ground.

Image: http://www.kicksguide.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/heel-to-toe-drop.jpg


Altra is famous for their 0mm Heel Drop. It's a thing, just not my thing.

Some other things to consider

Cushion
Every brand has their different science behind what they do with their cushion. NB has fresh foam, Brooks has DNA, Adidas has boost, etc. I'm a heavy pavement pounder, so i like a lot of cushion in my shoes (mainly if i'm going long distance) but when you get a heavily cushioned shoe, you are going to lose some response. Meaning you're absorbing the step, and not springing yourself forward as much. Unless you're getting into 5ks and races a lot, probably not a big deal, but a lot of minimalists like the lower heel drop with a better response from the ground.

Arches/Inserts
Most shoes are made with a neutral runner in mind. Almost every shoe I own came with the same interchangeable $.25 piece of foam. For the most part, there's not a lot of technology in there differentiating themselves. A lot of pronation issues can be addressed with inserts. Academy and Dicks have dozen of them to play with and they're fairly well labeled as to their purposes, however, if you want to address any of the pronation or heel drop issues, go to a local shoe store that specializes in inserts. A lot of the time they can look at your pronation, see what you're doing, give a recommendation on a shoe and insert and then will cut the inserts to fit. There are also inserts that aren't addressing anything, just adding cusion, response, etc. I've rarely found a need to replace, but it's worth looking at.

Trail shoes
Most often, your road shoes are fine to wear on trails. Unless you plan on getting into it heavily, you don't have to go out and buy a pair for running trails. If your trails consist of nice dirt/rock paths, then your normal shoes are probably fine.

When I got more heavily involved in trails, i found my grip was pretty poor and I slipped more than I'm proud to admit. First pair of trail shoes were $40 NBs and I noticed a marked difference. I do a lot of mud running and hill climbing and the pronounced lugs do make a big difference out there. Today, I have 2 pairs of trails shoes, but probably 20-30% of my runs are on trails. All that being said, buy road shoes for road runs, and trail shoes for trail runs. A lot of trail shoes are made to offer extra support and grip and the grips wear down on pavement.


That list of things can grow, just a starting point.

On to the shoes themselves. I'm going to list some of the shoes I see out in the running world most often. This is by no means all of the best shoes in the world, but they are shoes that are common in the running community. If you're wanting to try something new or looking at getting started running more, this is a good list to start with.


HOKA One One Clifton
Saucony Kinvara
Mizuno WaveRider
Brooks Ghosts
Brooks Adrenaline GTS
OnCloud Flow
Altra Torin
Altra Escalante
Adidas UltraBoost
New Balance 1080
Asics Gel Kayano
Asics GT 2000
Newton Distance
Skechers GoRun 7

When reading reviews, there's tons of great sites out there and you can buy from most. Buy local if you can though.

Online reviews and deals
RunRepeat aggregate ranking site. Sometimes the responses are from amateurs, but it pulls a lot of them together and gives reviews from the average runner.
Running Shoes Guru More extensive reviews
ShoeKicker A good site that will search the web for best prices on shoes that you're looking at.
Running WareHouse
Steep and Cheap has some great deals from time to time.
SoleReview


SEC country running shops:
Louisiana Running + Walking Co. NOLA FleetFeet
Luke's Locker -DFW
Rush Running - Bentonville, AR
Varsity Running - LA

Some review sites/blogs to follow:
Ginger Runner
Natural Running Center (for hippies only)


There are much smarter people than me and better runners out there, but i wanted to get a post that can maybe be stickied where people are looking to change things up or get more into running.
This post was edited on 9/11 at 9:08 am


RJL2
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re: tOfficial Running Shoe Thread
Great info!

Anyone in the New Orleans Area: I highly recommend Louisiana Running + walking Co. They do free fittings and make sure to get you in the best pair of shoes for you. Got a new pair of Brooks that I love there 2 weeks ago


Pitch To Johnny
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re: tOfficial Running Shoe Thread
quote:

They do free fittings and make sure to get you in the best pair of shoes for you.
Same with Fleet Feet in Houston. Brought me three brands after taking my measurements and let me try them on the treadmill. Ended up going with the Mizuno Waves. Definitely worth the price jump.


3nOut
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re: tOfficial Running Shoe Thread
a thought to shoe stores as well. Some shoe stores are going to go with the brands they offer and be loyal to them.

i've been in some shoe stores and they only had HOKA, NB, and Asics. They aren't going to recommend Altra, Brooks, etc. which could be a better fit for you. If you have the option, try multiple companies to find your favorite.

All of that being said, if you can, buy local. Running is a great community and I like to see our mom and pop stores succeed.


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philly444
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re: tOfficial Running Shoe Thread
I've been running in Asics GT 2000 for a while and they've served me well. I'm wanting to look at Brooks or Saucony for my next pair, but my Asics aren't showing any signs of wear and tear. It's a good and bad thing I guess.


hogbody
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re: tOfficial Running Shoe Thread
I bought a pair of Brooks and Saucony a few months ago and rotate between them to extend their life. Like them both.

One question that I have, do I need to get a specific type of shoe for higher mileage? I’m training for a marathon, can I use one of these pair of shoes in the race and be fine or are they best for shorter distances?


KG6
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re: tOfficial Running Shoe Thread
quote:

1: Go get fitted.



Agree, but also understand not everyone knows what they are talking about. I've had some pretty great conversations and nerded out about equipment. And I've also been with a person who had no clue what I was talking about and I'm far from an expert. It can even be in the same store. I've been in Fleet Feet and gotten great service and I've been there and gotten "Academy level" service. Best I've ever gotten was Varsity Sports on the North Shore. Sat with the manager for probably 45 minutes just talking about natural running and types of shoes. Learned a lot that day. Shaped my beliefs on pronation shoes. Yes they help, but better running form will eliminate issues with pronation, therefore remove the need for the stabilization.

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2. One size does not fit all


Finally a legit start to a shoe thread instead of people listing the best shoes. It really is completely personal. It's best to talk about shoes in terms of their features (lightweight upper, wide/narrow toe box, flex sole, high/low cushion, etc.). Like you say, some might love cushion and others feel like they are running in sand.

quote:

Heel drop is not a big deal for me. I've never worn a shoe and had an issue with the heel drop.


I think this is very important. I like lower drop, but I get hurt more easily if I don't watch my mileage ramp up very closely.



Some of my favorite sources

-Ginger Runner (Youtube). This guy does really good reviews on shoes. He doesn't have them all, but he's got quite a few. He does a really good review and really describes the shoe well without always putting his personal opinion in the review. Because again, what works for him, might not be what you are looking for. He's going to do a good job describing the shoe more than telling you if it worked for him.


- natural running center . Not saying barefoot running or natural running is gospel, but I think understanding it helped me be a more efficient runner. I'm slow as can be (especially right now as I'm getting back in shape), but I got a lot better when I started focusing on this stuff. Had some rough times at first realizing I couldn't go all in on it. But I rarely ever have knee soreness or joint soreness now that I heel strike less. And that ultimately changed up how I looked at running shoes.


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re: tOfficial Running Shoe Thread
quote:

HOKA One One Clifton


i endorse


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3nOut
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re: tOfficial Running Shoe Thread
quote:

One question that I have, do I need to get a specific type of shoe for higher mileage? I’m training for a marathon, can I use one of these pair of shoes in the race and be fine or are they best for shorter distances?



i have some shoes that are for speed work/races that i've mistakenly taken out for some 6-10 mile runs and they were hurting my shins and achilles badly by the end of it.

goes back to cushion and what that's doing to everything else to your legs during a long run. i have to long/mid distance shoes I switch out. My Brooks Ghosts are better at picking up the tempo if i want to push it and they're good for long runs. My NB1080s are cushioned AF, but they don't really respond to sprinting that well but they've never caused me any pain on a longer run.

there's not a science that says "this shoe will stop being as effective at 10 miles." everyone's body will respond differently to different shoes.

you're probably fine with what you have. increase your mileage as needed and find out if you have any pain from a particular shoe.

i DO NOT recommend getting a brand new pair of shoes for a race though.
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Salmon
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re: tOfficial Running Shoe Thread
zero drop 4 lyfe


TigeRoots
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re: tOfficial Running Shoe Thread
quote:

zero drop 4 lyfe


Have a pair Escalante’s waiting on my door step today. Anxious to strap em on.

I second the Ginger Runner for reviews also. He does a good job.
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Tiger Ryno
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re: tOfficial Running Shoe Thread
I'm a gel kayano man. I have to wear them for heel support. Hate the way they look but my heels don't hurt in them like every other shoe.


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TigeRoots
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re: tOfficial Running Shoe Thread
Nikes are too narrow for me. Never really found a pair that I liked for running, although I’d love to like the Pegasus. Same with HOKA; never really did it for me despite trying a bunch on.


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BoCam2
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re: tOfficial Running Shoe Thread
TL;DR
Run Hokas














jk... great post


3nOut
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re: tOfficial Running Shoe Thread
updated OP with links. if you have a local company in SEC Country, attach a link and i'll put it the OP.


Ingeniero
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re: tOfficial Running Shoe Thread
Varsity Sports

I've only ever been to the Mandeville location but I'm sure they're all great.
This post was edited on 9/10 at 9:44 pm


BurtReynoldsMustache
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re: tOfficial Running Shoe Thread
Rush Running

Locations in Fayetteville, Bentonville, and Rogers AR.


3nOut
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re: tOfficial Running Shoe Thread
a bump from another thread.. ran 9 collective miles in the new skechers.

Image: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/710B%2BEZ7k3L._UY395_.jpg


i have to admit they're damn solid. only complaint i have is self inflicted. the model i got had GoTherm in there and i didn't know what that was, but still got them because of $20 price tag. GoTherm is a fleece lining they have to keep your foot warm in cold weather. so they make my feet kinda hot after 2 miles. but other than that, solid performer so far. i may go grab their goofy GoMeb looking model just to see how it performs at the same price point.


BurtReynoldsMustache
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re: tOfficial Running Shoe Thread
I was honestly torn between the Altra Escalante and the Skechers go run 7. Came down to the Altras being on sale.


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KG6
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re: tOfficial Running Shoe Thread
Sketchers coming in at ~$55 when still at full price is pretty solid. I've heard great things about them. Just always in the middle of something where I don't want to make a drastic change so I stick with Brooks Ghosts.


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