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re: The Perfect Human Diet

Posted on 1/5/18 at 9:11 am to
Posted by Hulkklogan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 1/5/18 at 9:11 am to
Ah, ok

I will watch it there then
Posted by zatetic
Member since Nov 2015
5677 posts
Posted on 1/5/18 at 9:57 am to
This is a pretty good one on processed food. Quite a bit of interesting stuff on processed food. I didn't know exactly how much fiber was ripped out of foods...

Is a Calorie a Calorie? Processed Food, Experiment Gone Wrong

by Stanford Health Care
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
38031 posts
Posted on 1/5/18 at 10:16 am to
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Where do you stand on grains? Rice, particularly.


For what? If you are just looking for fat loss(which will improve your health) then its fine. True Flexible dieting is the easiest way to do this.

Flexible dieting is essentially find your TDEE. Did you eat less calories than that if trying to lose weight, if the answer is yes than good, your completed the base of the pyramid. Second would be protein, did you hit that goal, if the answer is yes, great. Split the rest of the calories up however you would like. Optimal would be carbs on workout days and low fat, opposite on rest days.


as far as for overall health, in a perfect world I would stay away from grains in general, but rice every once in a while would not hurt. Especially white rice post workout as it is the perfect pwo carb.
Posted by Captain Crackysack
Member since Oct 2017
2231 posts
Posted on 1/5/18 at 10:39 am to
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The Perfect Human Diet

I tend to believe that there really is no such thing. There is tons of research that can be manipulated to back any number of different types of diets. The only constants seem to be to stay away from too many refined carbs and too much sugar.
Posted by Junky
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 1/5/18 at 10:46 am to
Cool,

I've seen most of Lustig's talks. I'll be listening to this one throughout the day today.
Posted by zatetic
Member since Nov 2015
5677 posts
Posted on 1/5/18 at 11:16 am to
The last three or so minute rant in the video is about fiber and it feeding your good bacteria among other things it does. So just letting you know there is good stuff throughout the whole video
Posted by windshieldman
Member since Nov 2012
12818 posts
Posted on 1/5/18 at 3:25 pm to
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Essentially if you can't go kill it, pick it or grow it exactly as you are about to cook it, don't eat it.


Not that I don't kill and grow much of my food. But as far as that being how I eat for the rest of my life, 100% of the time, wouldn't I be better off putting a shotgun in my mouth?
Posted by zatetic
Member since Nov 2015
5677 posts
Posted on 1/5/18 at 3:47 pm to
No, that seems silly at best.
Posted by windshieldman
Member since Nov 2012
12818 posts
Posted on 1/5/18 at 4:12 pm to
Yea maybe so
Posted by Junky
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2005
9226 posts
Posted on 1/5/18 at 4:33 pm to
I, personally, wouldn't want to waste the shotgun shell.
Posted by windshieldman
Member since Nov 2012
12818 posts
Posted on 1/5/18 at 6:56 pm to
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I, personally, wouldn't want to waste the shotgun shell.


That's true, especially on me. Oh well
Posted by arktiger28
Member since Aug 2005
5401 posts
Posted on 1/5/18 at 7:02 pm to
I’m just sold on flexible dieting at this point. In the last five months I’ve lost 45lbs and gained 10lbas of lean mass without having to eliminate any entire food groups from my diet. After that, I see people on Facebook and else where advocating for these extreme diets and I just don’t get it.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
38031 posts
Posted on 1/5/18 at 7:55 pm to
Depends on what you are after. If it's weight loss, just do flexible diet. But like whole30 is great for helping you find out what foods you are allergic too, helping cholesterol, autoimmune etc.

Using one of these diets for fat loss is not needed at all
Posted by LouisianaLady
Member since Mar 2009
83030 posts
Posted on 1/5/18 at 9:36 pm to
I don’t get it either. Not for the basic person trying to lose fat.

Someone told me the other day that they started Whole 30 on the 2nd. This is someone that I’ve never seen cook a meal (healthy or not) in my entire life. Mexican restaurants and shite every meal.

I just sit back and wait for these people to crumble by week 2 Not that I don’t think Whole 30 is great, if you can swing it. I’ve considered it for shits and giggles. But ultimately, I lost all my weight by eating at a deficit of my TDEE. Pizza, burgers, vegetables, fish - doesn’t matter. I prefer it that way.

I just finished off a brûlée cinnamon roll. At maintenance for the day.
Posted by Junky
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2005
9226 posts
Posted on 1/6/18 at 9:40 am to
quote:

I’m just sold on flexible dieting at this point. In the last five months I’ve lost 45lbs and gained 10lbs of lean mass without having to eliminate any entire food groups from my diet. After that, I see people on Facebook and else where advocating for these extreme diets and I just don’t get it.


It is more of a point of view. What one person calls a food group, another person calls trash and not food at all. Some say "extreme dieting" on just steak and eggs, while others will have severe reactions if they stray from steak and eggs, obviously a minority of population.

Different definitions of "food" for everyone. For the vast majority of people, meat & some veggies with seasonal fruit is fine.

For my personal diet I stick to meat, homemade broth and water to feel great. I've shifted away from alcohol for the next few weeks. I've found that chicken has a different effect on me than beef. Most veggies sit well with me, yet I abstain from them for the ease of cooking/cleaning (less dishes to wash).
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
39853 posts
Posted on 1/6/18 at 1:12 pm to
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Not for the basic person trying to lose fat.
This is why I urge people to stop thinking of diet as a "way to lose fat". Rather, it should be viewed as the very foundation of their overall health - metabolic, mental, skin, sexual, etc. If one eats well, then weight loss/fat loss will take care of itself.
Posted by Hulkklogan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2010
43482 posts
Posted on 1/6/18 at 6:00 pm to
For the sake of understanding, let's say 'healthy' food means nutrient-dense food.

I can agree with that notion, but it's entirely possible to get fat from eating too much 'healthy' food.

That said, 'healthy' food is usually very satiating so it is less likely for one to overeat.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
39853 posts
Posted on 1/6/18 at 11:25 pm to
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For the sake of understanding, let's say 'healthy' food means nutrient-dense food.
I would amend to say "nutrient-dense, carb-free food".

quote:

I can agree with that notion, but it's entirely possible to get fat from eating too much 'healthy' food.

That said, 'healthy' food is usually very satiating so it is less likely for one to overeat.


Yes, it's always possible to eat too man calories. But most people find it's too hard to eat too much meat. Unlike Jelly Bellies - I can eat 50 lbs of those!
Posted by Junky
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2005
9226 posts
Posted on 1/7/18 at 10:28 pm to
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Yes, it's always possible to eat too man calories. But most people find it's too hard to eat too much meat. Unlike Jelly Bellies - I can eat 50 lbs of those!



I've challenged Hulk to a all you can eat all meat diet before on the F&D long-thread. Needless to say it can scare people.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
39853 posts
Posted on 1/8/18 at 10:47 am to
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I've challenged Hulk to a all you can eat all meat diet before on the F&D long-thread. Needless to say it can scare people.
I'm migrating to nearly all-meat in the very near future. I can't wait!
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