re: Stubborn belly fat

At the risk of sounding arrogant, there is nothing to disagree with, I want posting an opinion, I was posting a fact.Idon't care if some YouTube doctor disagrees, he is wrong to. Dozens of studies prove this. A simple Google search will provide them. There is zero advantage from a body composition stand point to bring on a keto diet. Science proves this. And I promise you can't find one single study from the last 30 years that backs your claim up, zero, none, zilch.

Now that doesn't take into complaince which keto tends to be really good at keeping people complaint.

All keto, like intermittent fasting, trends to help regulate blood flow into cells that routinely don't get enough blood flow. This does tend to help those on keto burn fat from stubborn areas like the stomach.

I say all this as somebody who uses strict keto to cut for personal preference. I'm not coming from a place of keto hate, quite the opposite. Still doesn't mean you burn fat faster than a traditional diet and science has been trying hard to prove it, but can't.

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Just an update:

Weight continues to come off, slow and steady. I am preparing for my first cheat day in a couple of weeks. Down to 182 at 16.4% BF.

Chest: 44in
Arms: 18in
Quads: 22in
Neck: 16 1/2in

I wear a 33in pants. I still have stubborn fat around the midsection but it has significantly reduced and upper abs are starting to peak through.

I can’t thank everyone in this thread enough. I knew the answers but had to hear them and the no shite advice in this thread has helped me greatly.

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good to see. your arms are huge for your size

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Fat loss is 100% aath equation. Insulin levels have nothing to go with it above like 12% bf. Plenty of studies prove that. Still should keep carbs around 100 per day and protein greater than 50% of calories for diet induced thermogenesis and for health purposes. But has no effect on fatloss.

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I disagree. Dr. Eric Berg has a ton of video's on youtube that are excellent. He disagrees as well that it is a simple 1+1=2 formula

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I'm going to split the difference and say that you're both can be right?

Within the diabetic world, they are now looking at research for cellular responses to varying levels of insulin concentration in the body. With Type 1 and insulin controlled type 2 diabetics, insulin is associated with a weight gain that can't be explained simply by corrective actions of hypoglycemia (blood sugar crashing and needing a quick dose of sweets to fix it). Whereas metformin has been known to help with weight loss for non-insulin dependent type 2 diabetics. One of the roles of metformin is to reduce insulin resistance.

The mechanisms all revolve around hunger, so 777's point regarding fat loss is absolutely 100% correct. However, what is certainly being proposed within scientific communities is that a viable mechanism may be that increases in insulin resistance may lead to patients being "hungrier" than they should at a thermodynamically neutral condition. This in turn would drive overconsumption food.

But, it's a bit of a chicken or egg issue. Is a poor relationship with food the first domino to fall? Or is insulin resistance the first domino to fall? There's evidence pointing to both. Unfortunately, this all usually involves rats who sometimes decent metabolic proxies, but it's hard to compare decision making skills of rats to humans to get what we need for the whole story.


It's also possible that an early poor relationship with food leads to a cycle: Increased food intake leading to increased insulin resistance, leading to more "inaccurate" hunger signals, leading to more food intake, even when the now overweight patient is trying to correct for past behaviors ....

But my usual overall caveat - you can't actually study humans in depth over the course of their natural lives, so we'll probably never actually know the whole story.

Measurements, calipers, and BF scale. I’m estimating based on previous weight/BF. I’m really wide. The typical 5’6 guy and me look nothing alike. I have a 44 inch chest...

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Also, drink a good casein protein shake before bed to keep your metabolism going while you snooze.

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So having a protien shake before bed would help burn fat? I’m sure it would depend on the intake of calories during the day.

Shift work has my sleep schedule all messed up. Some days I don’t get to eat til early evening, sometimes I’ll eat at 11 at night. You think even if I drink a shake at 6 AM when I knock off of nights it would have the same effect?

A good casein is sub 200 cals.

Of course, you want to monitor your caloric intake throughout the day, too.

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You think even if I drink a shake at 6 AM when I knock off of nights it would have the same effect?

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Yes.

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LSUAlum2001

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Does weight have to do with caloric intake or is it body type? Honestly when I eat low calories intentionally, over the span of a few days, I feel like straight shite. I don’t know if I’m doing it right.

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Does weight have to do with caloric intake or is it body type? Honestly when I eat low calories intentionally, over the span of a few days, I feel like straight shite. I don’t know if I’m doing it right.

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Definitely. A low calorie intake, especially if your job has you active will make you feel like arse. If you’re trying to workout, as well, it’ll be even more rough.

Get your BMR calculated. It won’t be exact, but a good starting point.

Based your caloric intake/macros around that.

Adjust as needed,

Tomorrow makes 6 weeks on low carb
Not keto, I eat too much protein

Down from 182 to 170
Most of that was belly and spare tire type fat that is now gone.