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re: Shoulder pain from snatches
Posted on 12/14/20 at 12:48 pm to Forever
Posted on 12/14/20 at 12:48 pm to Forever
Do you have an way to address the issue besides just quitting? I’m not pushing through pain just to do a lift. I’m trying to fix an issue I shouldn’t be having. So, all those assumptions are just a bunch of crap.
Posted on 12/14/20 at 2:17 pm to DeafJam73
You’re not quitting man, you’re resting
I’m serious. An elite, elite guy that I used to train with would shove what looked like a woman’s vibrator in his shoulder between sets and I guess it kept his body hanging on by a thread so
I would recommend just giving it a break when you’re hurting or scale way, way down on weight and focus on auxiliary lifts like 3’s and 3’s if you don’t want to completely stop.
Speaking of, how strong are you at your auxiliary lifts? Can you overhead squat significantly more than you can snatch?
Considering you seem to enjoy snatches and top notch technical coaching is very readily accessible nowadays on YouTube, I’m going to assume that your problems aren’t as much bad technique as “I can snatch way more than my stabilizer muscles and support muscles can handle because I don’t do enough hang snatches, snatch pulls, 3x3’s, etc.” I’m not recommending this, but you can very well get away with only doing those auxiliary lifts if you don’t hurt when you’re doing them and actually end up stronger when you eventually throw up a full snatch for the first time in months.
That being said, if you do choose to rest, the month or so of feeling bad about yourself for not doing snatches will be well, well worth it in the long run. Olympic lifting is 90% technique and if you’re hurting really badly when you lift you’re developing bad habits which isn’t worth it in the long run
Speaking of, how strong are you at your auxiliary lifts? Can you overhead squat significantly more than you can snatch?
Considering you seem to enjoy snatches and top notch technical coaching is very readily accessible nowadays on YouTube, I’m going to assume that your problems aren’t as much bad technique as “I can snatch way more than my stabilizer muscles and support muscles can handle because I don’t do enough hang snatches, snatch pulls, 3x3’s, etc.” I’m not recommending this, but you can very well get away with only doing those auxiliary lifts if you don’t hurt when you’re doing them and actually end up stronger when you eventually throw up a full snatch for the first time in months.
That being said, if you do choose to rest, the month or so of feeling bad about yourself for not doing snatches will be well, well worth it in the long run. Olympic lifting is 90% technique and if you’re hurting really badly when you lift you’re developing bad habits which isn’t worth it in the long run
Posted on 12/14/20 at 6:41 pm to DeafJam73
I developed shoulder bursitis last year. Only two movements hurt: deadhang and handstand. I could do anything else. I could military press with no problem. Just stop snatching until it’s healed
Posted on 12/14/20 at 8:20 pm to SabiDojo
I tweaked my long head bicep tendon on very heavy pec deck flys and really fricked it up on weighted pull-ups a week or so later.
After that, snatch movements with very light weight felt like someone was sticking a knife in my shoulder.
I eventually tore it 5 weeks later helping a kid on my daughters soccer team over a fence.
After that, snatch movements with very light weight felt like someone was sticking a knife in my shoulder.
I eventually tore it 5 weeks later helping a kid on my daughters soccer team over a fence.
This post was edited on 12/14/20 at 8:21 pm
Posted on 12/14/20 at 8:22 pm to Forever
Well I am doing the resting part. I haven’t tried a snatch since I started feeling the pain. I’m having difficulty doing an overhead squat. Just can’t seem to be able to get low enough. Which is weird because my back squats and front squats look good.
Posted on 12/15/20 at 6:52 am to LSUAlum2001
You mean shoes? I wear a pair of Nike Romaleos. They definitely help.
Posted on 12/15/20 at 6:54 am to DeafJam73
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It’s funny if you’re 12.
Or if you take the less obvious route of it being one letter off from "snitch".
Posted on 12/15/20 at 8:45 am to DeafJam73
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You mean shoes? I wear a pair of Nike Romaleos. They definitely help.
Yeah. Anything with an elevated heel like lifters will help you get into better position.
However, if you are still struggling, then you need to work on your mobility: ankle, hip, shoulder, etc..
Posted on 12/15/20 at 12:10 pm to LSUAlum2001
Dang that sucks brother. This bursitis, I couldn’t handstand or deadhang for over five months. It was AWFUL
This post was edited on 12/15/20 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 12/15/20 at 12:42 pm to LSUAlum2001
I actually used a band to do some ankle mobility this morning, and the first I noticed was how much lower I went into my squats. I was doing them well before, but my ROM was definitely greater. I’ll have to keep doing that.
Posted on 12/16/20 at 1:42 pm to DeafJam73
There’s a lot of moving parts to a snatch obviously and all could impact getting into that end range position. But there’s at least some low hanging fruit you can try to get without a true assessment
First thing I would say is just because you think your shoulder ROM is fine, doesn’t mean it’s 100% where it needs to be, especially because you need full glenohumeral overhead mobility, upward rotation and posterior tilt of scapula, and thoracic extension. So some mobility work to your lats, pec minor, and thoracic extension stretching/mobility work is a great place to start
Then next, trying to get control over that mobility. So starting with better control at your scapula things like Lower trap raise and Prone HABD to upward rotation to help get more active posterior tilt, ER, and upward rotation of your scapula
You can integrate that into a squat pattern like THIS just to transition into a finishing snatch position. I also like ER to press again to give you a little more rotator cuff strength in that overhead position
Lastly, pretty much any bottoms up kettlebell movement overhead is great to control those positions. Turkish get ups, overhead carries, z presses, Standing to kneeling(I like single arm) and windmills
First thing I would say is just because you think your shoulder ROM is fine, doesn’t mean it’s 100% where it needs to be, especially because you need full glenohumeral overhead mobility, upward rotation and posterior tilt of scapula, and thoracic extension. So some mobility work to your lats, pec minor, and thoracic extension stretching/mobility work is a great place to start
Then next, trying to get control over that mobility. So starting with better control at your scapula things like Lower trap raise and Prone HABD to upward rotation to help get more active posterior tilt, ER, and upward rotation of your scapula
You can integrate that into a squat pattern like THIS just to transition into a finishing snatch position. I also like ER to press again to give you a little more rotator cuff strength in that overhead position
Lastly, pretty much any bottoms up kettlebell movement overhead is great to control those positions. Turkish get ups, overhead carries, z presses, Standing to kneeling(I like single arm) and windmills
Posted on 12/16/20 at 2:28 pm to DeafJam73
Why in the frick you snatching with a bar for anyways? You old bro, stop that shite
Waste of time for 99% of non competing athletes. Very very limited benifit over a traditional clean on explosiveness and not really any other benefits for normal person.
Waste of time for 99% of non competing athletes. Very very limited benifit over a traditional clean on explosiveness and not really any other benefits for normal person.
Posted on 12/16/20 at 2:37 pm to DeafJam73
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I’m having difficulty doing an overhead squat. Just can’t seem to be able to get low enough. Which is weird because my back squats and front squats look good.
Where do you feel limited in the squat? From what I've seen in the gym, it's usually either ankle mobility or thoracic spine mobility limiting people's overhead squat ROM.
Considering you're having shoulder pain in addition to limited ROM with OH squats, I wonder if it has to do with your thoracic spine mobility limiting your shoulder positioning.
LINK
Maybe try a few of these and see if it makes you feel better with weight overhead.
**** I have no real idea of what I'm talking about so take my advice with a large grain of salt
This post was edited on 12/16/20 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 12/16/20 at 3:52 pm to DeafJam73
quote:You need a ton more lat and thoracic spine mobility for an OH squat compared to a back squat
Just can’t seem to be able to get low enough. Which is weird because my back squats and front squats look good.
And that doesn’t even account for things you can’t control like femur length and how that affects your upright posture when trying to squat
This post was edited on 12/16/20 at 3:52 pm
Posted on 12/16/20 at 9:04 pm to TheZaba
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TheZaba
That’s a lot of information. Thank you. I will apply it very soon.
Posted on 12/16/20 at 9:06 pm to lsu777
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lsu777
I want to enter some comps in 2021. I want to do a strongman comp and an olympic comp. To do an oly comp, I really need to be able to snatch. Other than that, I would want to snatch.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 8:19 am to DeafJam73
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strongman comp
frick yea
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olympic comp
But why? frick to the no!!
If you gonna do that, guess you need to snatching. Why don't you go see coach hatch at spectrum?
Posted on 12/17/20 at 9:33 am to lsu777
I don’t think I can afford Coach Hatch. I’m not 100% sure if I’m going to do an oly comp, but I want to.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 10:03 am to DeafJam73
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DeafJam73
Look at Invictus Weightlifting.
Jared Enderton, is the coach/programmer and you can post your videos to the private FB group and he will give you some feedback. A 3 or 5 day lifting program is run every 3 months by Enderton.
Enderton was a former US Olympic Lifter who transitioned to Crossfit and was in the CFG a few years ago.
I think 3 months only cost $100 or so and he responds very quickly to queries and videos.
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