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re: Recent Cholesterol numbers after stopping Statin - Advice?
Posted on 1/6/19 at 7:56 am to Langland
Posted on 1/6/19 at 7:56 am to Langland
Thanks for the info everyone. Alot to sift through, which is good. I’ve ordered the Omega 3 and some Tumeric that you mentioned, Langland. I’ve taken both on and off within the past year, but let them lapse also. I need to stick with them both.
Definite chance that running could be causing inflammation/stress/cortisol but to me it’s a mental stress relief and enjoyable so not really something that I am willing to give up, although I could potentially take more rest days.
I’m going to implement both of the above supplements and see about staying off of the Statin until my next annual physical, later this year, as it doesn’t seem like I’m in any immediate danger. Hopefully my Doc agrees or is at least receptive.
As far as sugar, I probably eat between 20-30g of "labeled" sugar at most (many days much less), meaning not including fruits. I typically eat 1-2 fruits a day. Haven’t had a soft drink in years and don’t eat candy.
Definite chance that running could be causing inflammation/stress/cortisol but to me it’s a mental stress relief and enjoyable so not really something that I am willing to give up, although I could potentially take more rest days.
I’m going to implement both of the above supplements and see about staying off of the Statin until my next annual physical, later this year, as it doesn’t seem like I’m in any immediate danger. Hopefully my Doc agrees or is at least receptive.
As far as sugar, I probably eat between 20-30g of "labeled" sugar at most (many days much less), meaning not including fruits. I typically eat 1-2 fruits a day. Haven’t had a soft drink in years and don’t eat candy.
This post was edited on 1/6/19 at 8:29 am
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Posted on 1/6/19 at 9:03 am to TigeRoots
Do another test, except eat as much food as you can, 4,000 calories, for three days prior to the test. Preferable steak eggs, keto foods....just higher fat/protein intakes.
Your trigs will drop and HDL will rise. These numbers can vary daily and are based on food intake (energy) as much as food choices. Look up Dave Feldman and his work as many n=1 have found the same.
TG is kinda high. However, the HDL/TG ratio should idealy be under 2, but under 4 is ok. Over 4 is a major concern.
Your trigs will drop and HDL will rise. These numbers can vary daily and are based on food intake (energy) as much as food choices. Look up Dave Feldman and his work as many n=1 have found the same.
TG is kinda high. However, the HDL/TG ratio should idealy be under 2, but under 4 is ok. Over 4 is a major concern.
Posted on 1/6/19 at 1:41 pm to McLemore
Hey, I agree with everything you and FatMan have outlined in this thread, but Peter Attia is pro statin. He just needs to see more than an LDL C before he would prescribe them to his patients per his podcast. The thing is, he doesn’t rely upon the standard lipid panel to make that decision. He also relies on NMR, CRP, and homocysteine labs as well. Just thought I should throw in that clarification. I’m glad you are back to posting, I enjoy your input. It seemed like you took some time off here recently.
Posted on 1/6/19 at 1:47 pm to McLemore
Ignore my post, you covered it later in the thread.
Posted on 1/6/19 at 7:15 pm to LSUTiger1026
Peter Attia and Rhonda Patrick actually discuss statin use based on telomere aging. So yes, their argument for use are longevity and NOT cholesterol reduction/restriction. It should also be noted they recommend sub-therapeutic doses for longevity benefits. While other level, but worth looking into cellular aging through chromosomal telomere length.
Love me some Peter Attia
Love me some Peter Attia
Posted on 1/6/19 at 7:27 pm to FatMan
Yeah I’m an Attia fan also but only listened to a few different podcasts/YouTube vids he was on. Didn’t realize he had his own cast.
Posted on 1/7/19 at 9:08 am to OleWarSkuleAlum
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Give Keto a run. And congrats on getting of statins and the dementia that comes with them!
This is my issue with some stuff here.
A claim of a link between statins and dementia has been repudiated multiple times by studies. It's got as much validity as anti-vaxxer propaganda.
But it gets passed off as actual knowledge in a discussion on a serious topic where there are potential health consequences.
Posted on 1/7/19 at 10:46 am to Rep520
i have never been able to find any real negative side effects. I do like Peter Alta says and taking half the minimum recommended dose. Seems to help me.
Posted on 1/7/19 at 10:56 am to lsu777
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i have never been able to find any real negative side effects. I do like Peter Alta says and taking half the minimum recommended dose. Seems to help me.
There's actual research suggesting statins may assist long term cognition:
LINK
I have no issue with discussing dosage, and certainly generally agree it's better to take the minimally effective dose of any drug. Finding a good dose for you is absolutely a smart thing.
I do have beef with OleWar pushing a false link between statins and dementia in the face of actual evidence.
Posted on 1/7/19 at 11:25 am to Rep520
There is just as much evidence out that removing sugar (of all sources) also assists long term cognition. For the sake of me being too lazy to look into it, I wonder (and doubt) that there is a study comparing sugar removal vs taking a statin in relation to cognitive decline. I'd be curious to know though. Either way, my outlook is that I shouldn't need a pill to go through life - this gives me extreme trepidation towards statins. The "take a pill" crowd worries me on our future. However, there is a time and place for pills in certain medical situations.
Posted on 1/7/19 at 11:33 am to Junky
OleWar said statins cause dementia, which is not true based on all available evidence.
I don't doubt there are other ways to preserve cognitive function. For instance, consistent consumption of OTC sleep aids like unisom have been linked to cognitive decline. I try to abstain from them.
I just criticize the assertion statins=dementia. The remainder of the discussion in the thread, I don't mean to rip on that.
I don't doubt there are other ways to preserve cognitive function. For instance, consistent consumption of OTC sleep aids like unisom have been linked to cognitive decline. I try to abstain from them.
I just criticize the assertion statins=dementia. The remainder of the discussion in the thread, I don't mean to rip on that.
Posted on 1/7/19 at 12:02 pm to Rep520
I know OleWar made the clear association of statins and dementia, which is not proven. What is proven is low cholesterol and cognitive decline- whether it be from depression to dementia. Maybe he was referring to causation/fallacy which is not correct.
Posted on 1/7/19 at 1:34 pm to Rep520
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OleWar said statins cause dementia, which is not true based on all available evidence.
Well, yeah, he does state some pretty dumb shite...
Posted on 1/7/19 at 2:11 pm to Langland
This is very helpful, thanks. I too recently got my lipid panel results and was a little surprised. I’m not a big drinker at all, not overweight, and generally eat pretty healthy. I eat low carb, never eat fast food or sodas, and very rarely eat processed foods. If there’s any “weakness” to my diet, which I readily admit, I do eat a good bit of red meat. I’m going to try to make some adjustments and check it again in 6 months.
Posted on 1/7/19 at 10:29 pm to TigeRoots
Someone on here said that fiber helped a lot, and for me it did. I was borderline high, started taking Metamucil twice a day with turmeric and my numbers were drastically better within a month.
Doctor was happy to let me keep doing what I was doing, rather than put me on something.
Doctor was happy to let me keep doing what I was doing, rather than put me on something.
Posted on 1/8/19 at 5:21 am to steve123
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I’m going to try to make some adjustments and check it again in 6 months.
You could make adjustments and check it in 6 days and the numbers would change. I don't get why doctors think it takes months to change the values - It literally is based on energy transport in the blood which changes constantly.
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