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re: Official Running Log/Marathon Training Thread
Posted on 5/5/20 at 7:34 pm to McVick
Posted on 5/5/20 at 7:34 pm to McVick
McVick,
I'm lucky that in-laws are in North Texas and I can get 600+ feet of elevation in about 8 miles.
I plan of hitting some 8+ runs out there throughout the year when we visit.
Thanks for the race specific input.
I'm lucky that in-laws are in North Texas and I can get 600+ feet of elevation in about 8 miles.
I plan of hitting some 8+ runs out there throughout the year when we visit.
Thanks for the race specific input.
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Posted on 5/5/20 at 8:06 pm to Rsande63
No problem. I just looked through my Strava run for the race and peeked at the segments on the course. Finish line was 0.1 mi with 35 ft of elevation gain and 5.1% incline. First two miles was 200 ft of elevation gain at 1% incline (maybe 1.9). Everything else in-between was flat.
It's my way of hinting that I'm so very jealous of all of you on Strava recording runs with like 15 feet of total elevation gain.
It's my way of hinting that I'm so very jealous of all of you on Strava recording runs with like 15 feet of total elevation gain.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 8:17 pm to hogbody
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My peak for my first was less than 50.
Not ideal but it worked out ok.
It can definitely be done, but why not train for a half if you can’t put in more volume? I don’t understand wanting to race a slow marathon unless it’s a one time thing to just say you did 26.2. One would be better served by racing a faster 5k to HM distance and carry that into a better marathon program.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 8:56 pm to LSU Patrick
Mm I put in sub 3:00 on less than 50 so, I guess I wouldn’t consider it slow
Posted on 5/5/20 at 9:19 pm to hogbody
I mean in general. Most people aren’t going to go sub 3:00 even if they train 80 mile weeks.
Peak mileage less than 50 miles isn’t going to result in a satisfying performance for most marathoners who want to do more than just finish. That extra 10-20 miles be be the difference between 3:15 and 3:40 and a Boston qualify or a fun 3:30 or a grueling 4:20.
Peak mileage less than 50 miles isn’t going to result in a satisfying performance for most marathoners who want to do more than just finish. That extra 10-20 miles be be the difference between 3:15 and 3:40 and a Boston qualify or a fun 3:30 or a grueling 4:20.
This post was edited on 5/5/20 at 9:26 pm
Posted on 5/5/20 at 9:29 pm to LSU Patrick
Good talk here as I’m tentatively planning my first Full in Jan 21 and unless something changes life wise - I doubt I’ll be able to bang out 50 mile weeks in prep for it. I realize that isn’t ideal, we shall see.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 9:35 pm to TigeRoots
Roots,
I agree..today was a strong day for questions & feedback.
I got some offline advice today which was find your wheelhouse with MPW , don't push too hard to burn out , and use trial & error to push that limit.
Skill & talent will give people more buffer than your average hobby jogger but , in the end, work your wheelhouse.
I agree..today was a strong day for questions & feedback.
I got some offline advice today which was find your wheelhouse with MPW , don't push too hard to burn out , and use trial & error to push that limit.
Skill & talent will give people more buffer than your average hobby jogger but , in the end, work your wheelhouse.
Posted on 5/6/20 at 5:30 am to Rsande63
Sage advice. Of course, it takes a while to figure all of that out. Finding your wheelhouse may take years of training, modifying, and racing.
I think people most often burnout when they push too hard too soon or only have one goal. Having a bunch of short term goals and a couple of long term goals is going to help someone stay motivated and patient, because he can experience small successes and learn along the way with less chance of injury.
If someone wants to go out and run a marathon to get it off if a bucket list, sure go out and run 4 days a week and peak at 40 miles with a longest run of 15 miles. That will probably get you across the finish line. However, if someone wants to make a life of running, they would be better served by training for and racing some shorter distances first and building a solid base, experimenting here and there with different types of workouts, and figuring out what works for him or doesn’t.
Freaks like Dean Karnazes can decide to go from not running at all to just deciding to run 30 miles after a night of heavy drinking and turn that into a professional running career. The Average Joe would sputter our after a couple of miles and probably never want to run again.
I think people most often burnout when they push too hard too soon or only have one goal. Having a bunch of short term goals and a couple of long term goals is going to help someone stay motivated and patient, because he can experience small successes and learn along the way with less chance of injury.
If someone wants to go out and run a marathon to get it off if a bucket list, sure go out and run 4 days a week and peak at 40 miles with a longest run of 15 miles. That will probably get you across the finish line. However, if someone wants to make a life of running, they would be better served by training for and racing some shorter distances first and building a solid base, experimenting here and there with different types of workouts, and figuring out what works for him or doesn’t.
Freaks like Dean Karnazes can decide to go from not running at all to just deciding to run 30 miles after a night of heavy drinking and turn that into a professional running career. The Average Joe would sputter our after a couple of miles and probably never want to run again.
This post was edited on 5/6/20 at 5:47 am
Posted on 5/6/20 at 6:45 am to TigeRoots
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as I’m tentatively planning my first Full in Jan 21
Bump it up a month and run a full with DSJ (possibly) and I.
I skipped yesterday to go to eat tacos and have a couple drinks with friends. Whoopsie poopsie.
Posted on 5/6/20 at 6:47 am to Tornado Alley
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I skipped yesterday to go to eat tacos and have a couple drinks with friends
Slacker!
Posted on 5/6/20 at 8:10 am to TigeRoots
Kids had me up til 1 last night. Wanted to do some repeats this morning, but couldn’t will myself to do them. Did another 6.2 just to get some miles in @ 9:55.
Thanks! The Trace is technically closed, but it’s more packed than ever. I can go on stretches where I wouldn’t see a soul for 1-2 miles and now I’m nodding to people every 200m.
They closed all the restrooms along the Trace (fine by me) and removed the “security” (again, fine by me). The only impact it’s had on me is that now I don’t bring my kid running in the stroller because if something would actually happen with no security, I don’t want to face all that I-told-you-so backlash
Oh, and they raised the Lacombe bridge, so you can’t bike over that spot now.
Thanks for the welcome!
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Welcome! If you pass BlacknGold on The Trace tell him we miss him. Is The Trace still closed? Would like to get a ride in there this week, but last I heard it was COVID-closed.
Thanks! The Trace is technically closed, but it’s more packed than ever. I can go on stretches where I wouldn’t see a soul for 1-2 miles and now I’m nodding to people every 200m.
They closed all the restrooms along the Trace (fine by me) and removed the “security” (again, fine by me). The only impact it’s had on me is that now I don’t bring my kid running in the stroller because if something would actually happen with no security, I don’t want to face all that I-told-you-so backlash
Oh, and they raised the Lacombe bridge, so you can’t bike over that spot now.
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LSU Patrick
Thanks for the welcome!
Posted on 5/6/20 at 8:37 am to LSU Patrick
Depends on what kind do workouts you are doing with your mileage. I’ll take sub 50 mile week with speed work/interval training over 70 miles at relaxed pace.
Posted on 5/6/20 at 9:10 am to LSU Patrick
Everyone is different. Assuming you need to run 50-70 mpw to run a marathon is inaccurate, especially if it is your first. That's an easy way to get hurt or just burn yourself out.
Most of us don't have the time to fit that kind of mileage in within one week. With a job and two kids, I squeeze in every mile I can and that's only ~30 mpw.
Most of us don't have the time to fit that kind of mileage in within one week. With a job and two kids, I squeeze in every mile I can and that's only ~30 mpw.
Posted on 5/6/20 at 9:34 am to kballa6
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Depends on what kind do workouts you are doing with your mileage.
100 percent this.
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Most of us don't have the time to fit that kind of mileage in within one week.
And this.
If you have to opportunity to run big miles responsibly and have the commitment to running regardless of weather, excuses, etc., while getting in one pants shittingly hard speed workout, one tempo, and one long run, consensus says this is the best path to achieve high goals at the sport and you will succeed.
Most people have little time and a lot of excuses. Which in that case, if you want to achieve success, every run has to count.
If you run 4 times a week, great! But if you are trying to run fast and break personal records, 1 of your runs better be a long run, 1 better be a speed session, 1 better be a threshold session and you should finish off the week with a steady state. Before anyone chimes in with "but meh heart rate", listen, you have 3 days recovery built in to your week and with any sort of base, it would be very difficult to over train miles on 30ish per week.
I'm not a freak unless you're taking about commitment to the routine and my dedication to the craft. There are a lot of guys on this board who have the physical capability to run at a very high or higher level than I do but don't have what it takes mentally.
I see a lot of excuses and shortcuts being exchanged in this thread and that's fine. Just adjust your goals accordingly.
I consider you all friends and care about your results, I wouldn't have taken the time to post this if I didn't have a personal investment in you guys. I wish you all success and hope you find the strength to challenge yourselves.
Much love and respect,
Burt
Posted on 5/6/20 at 10:15 am to BurtReynoldsMustache
What do you think about dudes who have the motivation and time to run but ate tacos and drank margaritas instead?
Posted on 5/6/20 at 10:44 am to 1999
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Depends on what kind do workouts you are doing with your mileage
Definitely
Posted on 5/6/20 at 10:47 am to Tornado Alley
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What do you think about dudes who have the motivation and time to run but ate tacos and drank margaritas instead?
They obviously placed their nutrition goals above their training goals.
Posted on 5/6/20 at 10:47 am to LSU Patrick
WTF is wrong with me. I am a disaster!
Posted on 5/6/20 at 11:00 am to LSU Patrick
My HR monitor was all over the place this morning for some reason. I ran a little faster than I have been recently just because I felt good and it was 48 degrees. The monitor read 120s for the first mile or so then jumped to 150 during miles two then to 180 just after midpoint all at roughly the same pace. This watch has served me well, but the monitor is screwy sometimes, and I can't figure out why.
This watch has served me well, but the monitor is screwy sometimes, and I can't figure out why. 
Posted on 5/6/20 at 12:05 pm to LSU Patrick
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If someone wants to go out and run a marathon to get it off if a bucket list, sure go out and run 4 days a week and peak at 40 miles with a longest run of 15 miles.
The Hanson beginner plan maxes out at a 16 mile long run. However, you are running 6 days a week, with potentially an 8 mile easy run the day after your 16 mile long run. Lots of folks have stated this plan works perfectly for them, allowing them to run a 3:30 marathon. I do realize that every person is different; just simply pointing out that plan.
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