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re: Need Info on TRT
Posted on 10/4/25 at 12:47 pm to jangalang
Posted on 10/4/25 at 12:47 pm to jangalang
quote:I was in a similar boat but decided to go the TRT route in August. A little over a month into it and I feel much, much better.
I am 36 and in need of a boost to my testosterone levels.
In August my T level was 310 (range 264-916)
I am little worried about relying on T to the point where if I quit my body will no longer recognize the need to produce it. It's a tough commitment.
I also live rural so the nearest clinic is hours away.
Background:
I work out five days a week. I am kinda surprised my levels have dropped but deep down I knew my body plateaued a while back in the gym. I have my most energy in the morning before work and going to the gym then is easy for my lifestyle. I dont even need preworkout.
But once 4pm rolls around I simply feel spent and used-up.
Quality of life improvement is why I decided to go with it. It sucked being depressed, tired, irritated all the time.
This post was edited on 10/4/25 at 12:47 pm
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Posted on 10/4/25 at 3:20 pm to Marciano1
How expensive is it?
Posted on 10/6/25 at 11:26 am to jangalang
quote:It depends. It's cheaper to go through a PHP but most of them will have you on some BS bi-weekly or monthly injection. That'll have you on a roller coaster.
How expensive is it?
If you go to a TRT clinic, it's usually $180-200 per month if doing self-injections. Gameday in Lafayette is $180 (where I go). That covers visits, medicine, in-house labs.
It's obviously more expensive, but they'll take care of you and understand hormone therapy way more than your typical family doctor. I take 0.4mL (cc) every four days.
Posted on 10/6/25 at 11:49 am to jangalang
Find a big ol baw at the gym and get your labs from goodlabsdotcom. Tes is cheap
Posted on 10/6/25 at 10:40 pm to Marciano1
Thanks for the information. I guess I am worried about that 180 dollar commitment for essentially rest of my life but I can deal
Posted on 10/8/25 at 8:52 pm to lsu777
Paging 777 or anybody with a good rec…
Estrogen level creeped up from 33 to 58. Need a rec for an OTC estrogen blocker or what mineral/herb/extract I’m looking for in these concoctions. I hate concoctions lol. I haven’t had any side effects from it but my diet is on point & im having more trouble than normal dropping some Lbs. That’s the only variable I can think of that would give me issues. Body Comp is changing like a mofo tho.
I went from 208 to 215 the first week or 2 of test. Not unexpected but it Took me 2 months to get back to 208. With the way I’m eating, that’s not normal for me.
I just started researching estrogen blockers And all of them have “test booster” written on them. Def don’t need any extra lol. I assume that just means by stopping the conversion to estrogen, it boosts test? There’s not some other bs in there making test
Oh & test levels are currently off the chart (>1500) & free test went from 6 to 33. But the gains are fun. Dropping from .4ml 2x to .35
Estrogen level creeped up from 33 to 58. Need a rec for an OTC estrogen blocker or what mineral/herb/extract I’m looking for in these concoctions. I hate concoctions lol. I haven’t had any side effects from it but my diet is on point & im having more trouble than normal dropping some Lbs. That’s the only variable I can think of that would give me issues. Body Comp is changing like a mofo tho.
I went from 208 to 215 the first week or 2 of test. Not unexpected but it Took me 2 months to get back to 208. With the way I’m eating, that’s not normal for me.
I just started researching estrogen blockers And all of them have “test booster” written on them. Def don’t need any extra lol. I assume that just means by stopping the conversion to estrogen, it boosts test? There’s not some other bs in there making test
Oh & test levels are currently off the chart (>1500) & free test went from 6 to 33. But the gains are fun. Dropping from .4ml 2x to .35
This post was edited on 10/9/25 at 6:51 am
Posted on 10/9/25 at 8:52 am to Schmelly
quote:
estrogen blocker
Just met with my nurse this morning at Gameday regarding my levels and we discussed estrogen. She asked if I had any symptoms and I had no idea so we started discussing it. She mentioned that because i'm a thinner guy that I shouldn't worry about it, only the fatz need to worry. Are you a heavier fella?
Posted on 10/9/25 at 10:03 am to Schmelly
quote:
Estrogen level creeped up from 33 to 58. Need a rec for an OTC estrogen blocker or what mineral/herb/extract I’m looking for in these concoctions. I hate concoctions lol. I haven’t had any side effects from it but my diet is on point & im having more trouble than normal dropping some Lbs. That’s the only variable I can think of that would give me issues. Body Comp is changing like a mofo tho.
I went from 208 to 215 the first week or 2 of test. Not unexpected but it Took me 2 months to get back to 208. With the way I’m eating, that’s not normal for me.
I just started researching estrogen blockers And all of them have “test booster” written on them. Def don’t need any extra lol. I assume that just means by stopping the conversion to estrogen, it boosts test? There’s not some other bs in there making test
Oh & test levels are currently off the chart (>1500) & free test went from 6 to 33. But the gains are fun. Dropping from .4ml 2x to .35
That's not how this works. Your E2 is high because your test is sky high and the excess is getting aromatized and converted to E2. You need to drop your test dosage until you strike the right balance of test/E2 levels, or get prescribed an aromatase inhibitor by a doctor. You want your E2 to be right around your original 33 number. Low 30s is where most people will want to be
Posted on 10/9/25 at 10:05 am to CHiPs25
quote:
She mentioned that because i'm a thinner guy that I shouldn't worry about it, only the fatz need to worry
This is correct. Higher body fat % = more estrogenic side effects
Posted on 10/9/25 at 11:57 am to CHiPs25
quote:
She mentioned that because i'm a thinner guy that I shouldn't worry about it, only the fatz need to worry. Are you a heavier fella?
Not really. Probably 20# away from ideal. By BMI standards I am but that shits useless when you have meat on your bones
This post was edited on 10/9/25 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 10/9/25 at 12:00 pm to Carson123987
quote:
That's not how this works. Your E2 is high because your test is sky high and the excess is getting aromatized and converted to E2. You need to drop your test dosage until you strike the right balance of test/E2 levels, or get prescribed an aromatase inhibitor by a doctor. You want your E2 to be right around your original 33 number. Low 30s is where most people will want to be
No bitch tits, not crying randomly during commercials lol, no libido issues. Just looking for something to blame the slower than normal weight loss on. And it’s really not an issue, I’m just really dialed in and wanted to make sure I’m doing everything I can. Already lowering my test and I know that estrogen will come down as test will come down. So you’re saying just ride it out and see what happens at next check in. They actually suggested an AI if I wanted but also said that lowering the dose was probably gonna do the trick
This post was edited on 10/9/25 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 10/9/25 at 3:32 pm to Schmelly
quote:
No bitch tits, not crying randomly during commercials lol, no libido issues. Just looking for something to blame the slower than normal weight loss on. And it’s really not an issue, I’m just really dialed in and wanted to make sure I’m doing everything I can.
E2 is only an issue when you're experiencing negative side effects. If you're good and happy where you're at, you can keep it rolling.
quote:
Already lowering my test and I know that estrogen will come down as test will come down. So you’re saying just ride it out and see what happens at next check in.
Yes, I would rather bring it down by lowering my test dosage over having to deal with procuring AI, personally
In my case, I had no E2 issues for the first 2 years of TRT. Then all of a sudden I became more prone to increases and could feel when it was high.
Posted on 10/9/25 at 4:21 pm to Carson123987
Cool. Yeah, I don’t feel any different. Haven’t heard a Sarah McGlauchlan song since I started though so I guess we’ll see.
No seriously, I feel great. I’m just being nitpicky and impatient lol
No seriously, I feel great. I’m just being nitpicky and impatient lol
Posted on 10/9/25 at 4:50 pm to Schmelly
Blood test shows I am on the lower end of thyroid also.
So testosterone and thyroid (metabolism) vanishing before my eyes.
No medicationals
So testosterone and thyroid (metabolism) vanishing before my eyes.
No medicationals
Posted on 10/10/25 at 12:23 pm to jangalang
Just did my three month follow up
Total T: 233 --> 865 (ng/dl)
Free T: 4.2 --> 18 (ng/dl)
E2: 21.4 --> 53.1 (pg/ml)
*no negative side effects of this, so they told me not to stress about it - but did mention that taking DIM supplement could help balance it out.
Hematocrit: 50.2 --> 52.4
*donated blood soon after first lab and they want me to donate again next Friday, then do another lab a week later. They don't want it getting to 55+.
They did mention I could keep doing 0.4 every four days or drop it to 0.3. I guess I'll stay at 0.4 and see what the next lab looks like.
I've noticed a huge difference (for the better) in energy, brain fog, libido, muscle gains. The only negative so far is back acne.
Total T: 233 --> 865 (ng/dl)
Free T: 4.2 --> 18 (ng/dl)
E2: 21.4 --> 53.1 (pg/ml)
*no negative side effects of this, so they told me not to stress about it - but did mention that taking DIM supplement could help balance it out.
Hematocrit: 50.2 --> 52.4
*donated blood soon after first lab and they want me to donate again next Friday, then do another lab a week later. They don't want it getting to 55+.
They did mention I could keep doing 0.4 every four days or drop it to 0.3. I guess I'll stay at 0.4 and see what the next lab looks like.
I've noticed a huge difference (for the better) in energy, brain fog, libido, muscle gains. The only negative so far is back acne.
This post was edited on 10/10/25 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 10/13/25 at 11:09 am to Loup
quote:
I've been off of TRT since the beginning of June.
quote:
Test is 525 ng/dl total and 85.3 pg/ml free. Not as bad as I thought it'd be, I was at 225ish when I started TRT in 2023
I am about to start my own TRT journey so I've been skimming through this thread looking for some advice for a first-timer. I'm curiosu abotu this. I was under the impression that your body wouldn't ever ramp up its test production, basically once it lowers itself to [whatever], that's all it'll produce from here on out which is why people stay on TRT for life. Based on your post it sounds like a few years ago you were in the 200s, then have been on a TRT routine, and now after being off TRT for a few month you are still in the 500s.
Can someone help a newbie/novice understand this?
Posted on 10/13/25 at 11:12 am to WG_Dawg
quote:
Based on your post it sounds like a few years ago you were in the 200s, then have been on a TRT routine, and now after being off TRT for a few month you are still in the 500s.
Can someone help a newbie/novice understand this?
I'm pretty ignorant of it as well. I'm on clomid which helps you produce your own test. Also, I'm a lot leaner and more active than I was when I got on. I also quit drinking.
Posted on 10/13/25 at 12:37 pm to Schmelly
Stay away from the AI unless you have excessive symptoms. I find a feel better with slightly "elevated" E2 by the docs standards. I've had my E2 crash and that sucked worse than elevated.
Posted on 10/13/25 at 4:21 pm to SETH6180
quote:What number would you say is elevated? Mine is 53 but I'm going from 0.4 to 0.3 to help bring it down some.
Stay away from the AI unless you have excessive symptoms. I find a feel better with slightly "elevated" E2 by the docs standards. I've had my E2 crash and that sucked worse than elevated.
Posted on 10/14/25 at 11:06 am to Marciano1
My across the street neighbor was on pellets, he was going to Gameday in Pensacola. He was feeling real bad so had bloodwork done by regular doc.
His test was 1700, Estrogen was sky high, and pellet site was infected. He's in rough shape. I recommended my doc for him. I hope he stays away from Gameday.
His test was 1700, Estrogen was sky high, and pellet site was infected. He's in rough shape. I recommended my doc for him. I hope he stays away from Gameday.
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