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Mississippi Gulf Coast Marathon - Course 0.3 Miles Short

Posted on 12/12/17 at 2:55 pm
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 12/12/17 at 2:55 pm
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Jonathan Dziuba, race director for the Mississippi Gulf Coast Marathon, sent out an email to runners who thought they ran 26.2 miles in a time to qualify for the Boston Marathon in April 2018.

Because of a measurement mishap along Interstate 110, runners only completed 25.905 miles.


It's the same group that puts on the Louisiana Marathon in BR. They're offering free registration for next year's MGCM or even the Louisiana Marathon coming up.

The big problem is that no one's time is official and anyone who thought they ran fast enough to qualify for Boston, didn't. It's one of the easiest, flattest courses in the country on top of perfect conditions this weekend. Even if it had been the correct length, many people would have qualified who won't get that chance or those conditions again.

I don't know how many runners are here, but this is a pretty big deal.
Posted by LSUAlum2001
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Posted on 12/12/17 at 2:56 pm to
Nice.

The main job is to ensure 26.2 and they failed miserably.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
85043 posts
Posted on 12/12/17 at 2:59 pm to
Full email from the race director:

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It is with a heavy heart and personal disappointment that I write these words to you today. Starting Sunday afternoon, we began getting complaints about the marathon course being short. That continued into Monday when people were able to post Strava and Garmin data for us to see. Initially, our Runner Support team was responding to the inquiries with our standard response to distance discrepancies related to satellite data. I realized then that we did not get a timing mat past the half marathon turnaround and assumed that many of the distance differences were due to runners accidentally turning around at the halfway mark instead of the full mark. I also spoke to the person who set the turnarounds and they performed that task exactly how they were instructed. In my mind, there was nothing more that could be done to look into this matter. Based on the number of complaints and responses I did go back to the original measurement notes taken and compar
ed those to the satellite images of the I-110 interstate. The course was indeed short and it was my failure in communication that lead to it being so.

Here is an explanation of what happened: I personally measured the course to be submitted for certification. We had access to Interstate I-110 for only a couple hours early one Sunday morning to do so. This required police escorts and for the interstate to be partially closed. There was not enough time to measure that portion of the course two times and then make a third trip to measure and mark the turnarounds. The next time we would have access to be on the interstate would be race morning. Due to that, I measured and set marks at every light pole and interstate truss sign along that portion of the interstate. (These are all approximately 260 feet apart on average.) Once the final distance of the course was measured and verified, I had made enough marks to be able to set the turnaround(s) race morning and knew which marks to measure from for those turnarounds. The marathon turnaround was meant to be set 105' north of the interstate truss that is just south of Percy St. That is the third interstate truss sign you pass when heading north from Hwy 90. I instructed the person measuring and setting the turnaround to go 105' north of the second interstate truss mark. It was my absent mindedness that lead to communicating to that person incorrect instructions. Because of the measurement notes and verification that the turnaround was marked exactly per my instructions, I know that the marathon course was 1,555' 1" short. That is approximately .295 miles. The half marathon was executed per certification and was correct.

I am deeply sorry for this series of events. I am sorry that I didn't recognize it earlier and that our responses have not been on point due to that. I always trust my staff and my people and they confirmed they did exactly as instructed. It wasn't until later that I realized my instructions were wrong. I have always taken a great deal of pride in the fact that runners can have faith in us to have a correct, safe and complete course no matter what. It's painful to let so many down in that regard. Unfortunately, BAA does not currently allow exceptions for people not running the complete marathon distance at a race even if it is the event producer's fault. For those runners who were able to make your BAA qualifying time, I am deeply saddened by my mistake especially for you.

Sincerely,

Jonathan Dziuba
Race Director
Mississippi Gulf Coast Marathon
Posted by tigerfootball10
Member since Sep 2005
9496 posts
Posted on 12/12/17 at 4:35 pm to
Damn, no wonder I ran sub 2 hours
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 12/12/17 at 4:55 pm to
Wow. The ONE thing you absolutely can't get wrong and you frick it up.
Posted by tke_swamprat
Houma, LA
Member since Aug 2004
9764 posts
Posted on 12/12/17 at 5:02 pm to
Saw that on a buddies FB feed. He had a BQ time too.
Posted by DVA Tailgater
Bunkie
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 12/12/17 at 10:48 pm to
More to the point, ending both races on those interstate ramps was cruel and unusual punishment.
Posted by lsucm10
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
1312 posts
Posted on 12/12/17 at 11:38 pm to
Not that it’s overly important to what actually happened here, but anyone who would have BQ’d would not have a chance to run Boston until April 2019. It’s highly unlikely that registration is still open in December as the last few years have required a BQ minus a few minutes to get in.

But on the topic, that sucks for the runners. It also sucks that Louisiana Marathon has basically killed the Baton Rouge Beach Marathon.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
85043 posts
Posted on 12/13/17 at 6:22 am to
BRBM is a double loop course. It should die for that reason alone.
Posted by lsucm10
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
1312 posts
Posted on 12/13/17 at 7:22 am to
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BRBM is a double loop course. It should die for that reason alone.


Can't really argue that point. I guess it had a good run as Baton Rouges oldest marathon that was a charity event. This year it was a half marathon only and had to change the route because LSU did not give them a permit to run in certain areas around campus. I cant recall the exact roads, but it has something to do with the amount of races on campus and the traffic problems those races cause.
Posted by tke_swamprat
Houma, LA
Member since Aug 2004
9764 posts
Posted on 12/13/17 at 8:08 am to
Correct. Plus LSU held their Run into Tiger Stadium run which ultimately effected BRB.
Posted by KG6
Member since Aug 2009
10920 posts
Posted on 12/13/17 at 10:34 am to
Had an issue at The Woodlands marathon earlier this year. The bike leading the lead pack took a wrong turn (think he may have been directed to do so by a cop or something). Everyone followed since it was still decently tight at the beginning of the race. Pretty much anyone with a BQ chance was up at the front and affected. Felt bad for whoever that was on the bike. I'm sure many people hated him for a long time

I thought these courses had to be verified in order to be BQ worthy. Is this not done ahead of time?

Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 12/13/17 at 10:44 am to
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This post was edited on 12/13/17 at 12:33 pm
Posted by Chili Davis
Wichita, KS
Member since Nov 2010
816 posts
Posted on 12/13/17 at 12:08 pm to
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I thought these courses had to be verified in order to be BQ worthy. Is this not done ahead of time?


According to his email the course was certified beforehand. I cannot imagine anyone wanting to run a street marathon that isn't USATF certified. Those runners that got a BQ in this race signed up because it was a Boston qualifier. It sounds like the race director simply gave the employee the wrong directions on where to put the turn around station. I feel terrible for the runners who were shorted and I feel bad for the director. It was an honest mistake and he is owning up to it.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Member since Jan 2005
71133 posts
Posted on 12/13/17 at 9:01 pm to
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BRBM is a double loop course. It should die for that reason alone.


I dunno. How else is Baton Rouge going to see a loop?
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