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re: L. reuteri ATCC PTA 6475 (probiotic related)

Posted on 5/27/18 at 8:22 am to
Posted by Powerman
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Posted on 5/27/18 at 8:22 am to
He has an additional blog post about fermenting the yogurt that might be worth noting if you're interested in trying this.

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Too little time allowed for yogurt to ferment will impair your results. The doubling time of L. reuteri, i.e., the amount of time required for, say, 1000 microorganisms to become 2000 microorganisms, is around 3 hours in the presence of prebiotic fibers. (Bacterial reproduction—doubling time—is shortened by fermenting yogurt by adding prebiotic fibers such as inulin or raw potato starch or sugar.) This means 8 doublings over the course of 24 hours.

So let’s say that you start your yogurt-making experience with one billion microorganisms (“CFUs”) of L. reuteri. Three hours later, you will have two billion. Six hours later, four billion. Nine hours later, eight billion, and so on.

You let fermentation proceed for 24 hours and now have 256 billion. (We are not accounting for bacterial death for simplicity. And, anyway, L. reuteri does not have to be alive to exert oxytocin release from the hypothalamus.) But look at the numbers after the initial 24 hours:

27 hours: 512 billion
30 hours: 1.26 trillion
33 hours: 2.52 trillion
36 hours: 5.04 trillion


Yogurt arithmetic

How does the homemade kombucha come out? I've never even tried the stuff in the store but I was thinking of picking some up today
Posted by Hulkklogan
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Posted on 5/27/18 at 8:53 am to
Most store stuff is a bit garbage, a lot of them use fruit concentrates and some even use vinegar in the first fermentation so that it's more acidic without fermenting as long, and then pump sugar into the bottle to make it tolerable to drink. They'll taste okay but are not as healthy. Most kombucha isn't going to be super sweet if it's made right. A balance of sweet and sour.

Big Easy Bucha is great, although not very strong. GTs kombucha is the OG commercial kombucha and the real deal.

Honestly I first looked into home brewing it because it's sooooo much cheaper than buying it. A 16oz bottle of 'buch is 4-5 bucks whereas you can brew 2 gallons of it for a few bucks.

I am still tweaking the home brew. Having trouble with getting good carbonation in the 2nd ferment. I'm about to finish off my pear batch and it tastes a LOT like a white wine, very interesting.

If you're interested I suggest looking into a Continuous Brew system. I am doing batches but only on my 2nd batch and already looking to get to continuous brew.

It's a fun and easy hobby that doesn't take much time and ultimately can be really good for you.
This post was edited on 5/27/18 at 8:56 am
Posted by Powerman
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Posted on 5/30/18 at 2:16 pm to
I'm going to provide another update in about a month if I remember but for now I can say that the benefits do appear to be legitimate (or it's a huge timing coincidence)

With no other changes to diet or exercise weight is inexplicably dropping much faster than before. Strength and energy both up. I didn't notice these effects until about 3 or 4 days in.

It's still a personal science experiment at this point and the drop off in weight could have come with or without it for all I know. If accelerated weight loss and strength gains continue over a longer period of time like a month, I'll bump this thread.
Posted by Lazy But Talented
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Posted on 5/30/18 at 3:16 pm to
Ship me some of this stuff. Don’t feel like making it. Don’t have the tools
Posted by Powerman
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Posted on 5/30/18 at 3:18 pm to
quote:

Ship me some of this stuff. Don’t feel like making it. Don’t have the tools



You can make it easier than you think

There isn't only one way to make yogurt. If you have a stove or an oven you can make it. Instant read thermometer wouldn't hurt but you really don't need that either.
Posted by el Gaucho
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Posted on 5/30/18 at 6:38 pm to
I just spent 27 bucks on this shite so it better work
Posted by Powerman
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Posted on 5/30/18 at 7:45 pm to
If you have any questions let me know.
Posted by el Gaucho
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Posted on 5/30/18 at 8:11 pm to
Can I make it with milk? It says I’m supposed to get it on the second so we’ll see what happens
Posted by Powerman
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Posted on 5/30/18 at 8:15 pm to
Yes, whole milk preferably

You need the inulin or some other form of prebiotic fiber as well

What cooking device were you planning on using?
Posted by el Gaucho
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Posted on 5/30/18 at 9:11 pm to
probably a pot on the stove
Posted by Powerman
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Posted on 5/31/18 at 5:50 am to
Don't think he outlines it clearly in the article but you want to get the liquid to 180F then let it cool to between 110 and 115 and leave it at that temp for at least 30 hours
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 5/31/18 at 7:39 am to
I'm glad to see a fermentation thread going on here

I tried to start one on the F&DB but it didn't get much traction

I love fermenting...EVERYTHING

I make kombucha, tepache, fermented vegetables, fermented hot sauce, etc

It is so much easier than people think and yes, I'm a strong believer in good gut health, especially the natural way, not taking probiotic pills with most likely dead cultures.

Here is the thread I stared on the F&DB with fermented garlic honey and tepache. Two very easy beginner ferments.

LINK
This post was edited on 5/31/18 at 7:41 am
Posted by Powerman
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Posted on 5/31/18 at 9:27 am to
What are some vegetables that you like to ferment?

I've been grabbing another pack of jars every time I go to the store and I'll need to fill them up with something eventually.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 5/31/18 at 9:35 am to
fermented ginger carrots are a good snack

obviously cabbage for kraut or kimchi (haven't made kimchi yet)

fermented sour pickles

radishes make a great salad condiment

green beans

okra

really anything
Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
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Posted on 5/31/18 at 8:37 pm to
An important thing to do while tying to populate your gut with these new bacteria is to reduce sugar intake as much as possible. I don’t know how resilient this strain is, but regardless, reducing sugar will reduce the pressure from antagonistic bacteria that need sugar to thrive. It will give the new strain a better chance at staying power which could give you a more lasting benefit when you can’t or don’t want to keep making yogurt.
Posted by Powerman
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Posted on 6/1/18 at 9:21 am to
quote:

An important thing to do while tying to populate your gut with these new bacteria is to reduce sugar intake as much as possible. I don’t know how resilient this strain is, but regardless, reducing sugar will reduce the pressure from antagonistic bacteria that need sugar to thrive. It will give the new strain a better chance at staying power which could give you a more lasting benefit when you can’t or don’t want to keep making yogurt.



Thanks for the advice

Thankfully a couple weeks prior to this I had drastically reduced my carb intake. I would say the majority of my daily carb intake comes from one banana.

I have another batch going right now I think the next batch I make will be a half gallon instead of a quart so I can make it less frequently.
Posted by Powerman
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Posted on 6/1/18 at 3:40 pm to
The appetite suppressant qualities of this seem to be manifesting now

For breakfast I had a smoothie with about 1/4 cup of the yogurt, half of a banana and a couple TBSP of almond butter

Went about my work day and spent about an hour in the gym. Still not hungry. At all.

I see what he means when he says this might be good for people doing IF. I'll probably have to force myself to eat something this evening. Or maybe I shouldn't?
Posted by el Gaucho
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Posted on 6/3/18 at 12:30 pm to
I got my stuff in so Ima start it in the instapot
Posted by Powerman
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Posted on 6/3/18 at 12:56 pm to
Awesome just keep taking it. Benefits might not manifest immediately and I assume everyone reacts differently. It took at least 3 or 4 days for me to start feeling the effects.
Posted by el Gaucho
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Posted on 6/4/18 at 7:47 am to
I left it overnight on the “keep warm” setting on the instapot which apparently keeps it hotter than 110. I’m hoping I didn’t kill all the sea monkeys
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