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re: Ketogenic diet results
Posted on 9/9/18 at 6:21 pm to HubbaBubba
Posted on 9/9/18 at 6:21 pm to HubbaBubba
Similar results here. It’s the real deal. Have to add, somewhat embarrassingly, that I didn’t go crazy in the exercise either. I was relatively fit before, active overall but only really hitting it hard 1-2 times a week, and kept the same level. So for me it’s pretty clear to give the bulk of the credit to reducing carbs.
Posted on 9/9/18 at 6:21 pm to wahoocs
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Fatigue/Sluggishness
Your body relies on calories from food to provide energy. In fact, calories are considered a measurement for energy in your body. When you do not eat enough calories, your body begins to use energy stores in your body to power your body functions and help you feel alert. However, continuing to eat too little calories without energy stores, you may experience side effects like feeling lethargic. This is because your body cannot spare extra energy from its daily functions -- like keeping your heart beating -- to provide you energy for movement, such as exercise.
Increased Bone Breakdown
Not eating enough calories affects your body’s ability to produce estrogen, a hormone necessary to maintain healthy bone levels. While both men and women have estrogen, this effect can especially affect women. If women restrict their calories to a level at which they no longer have menstrual periods, they are more likely to have lower bone density levels. This makes bones more porous and increases the risk for bone fracture. As you age, your estrogen levels will continue to drop, further increasing your risk for bone wasting diseases such as osteoporosis.
Anemia
One of the most common side effects of malnutrition is iron deficiency that leads to anemia, according to Kids Health. Iron deficiency can result when you do not eat enough red meat, egg yolks, fortified flour, grains and cereals. Without enough iron in your body, you are not able to manufacture red blood cells. Red blood cells carry oxygen and immune cells in your body, meaning their destruction can have very harmful effects. Ultimately, prolonged anemia can lead to extreme fatigue and can place extra strain on your heart, which must work harder to pump healthy blood cells through the body.
Cachexia
Cachexia is a condition whose symptoms include wasting of muscle and fat tissue in the body. When you do not eat enough, your body takes fat and muscle tissue to use for energy. Severe undernutrition can cause you to lose as much as half your bodyweight. In addition to physical symptoms of muscle loss, cachexia causes symptoms such as fatigue, diarrhea, irritability, always feeling cold or unresponsiveness. Cachexia can lead to a shutdown in your immune system, which can increase your infection risk. Your body’s systems, including your cardiac and respiratory systems, ultimately can stop working.
Low calorie side effects
Posted on 9/9/18 at 7:00 pm to stout
I appreciate your concern. I have a fair amount of medical knowledge and background.
I have never recommended that particular fasting to anyone, and actually referred to it as Naked and Not Afraid.
Based on these past 2 weeks of keto, including the cheese tortilla tacos my wife just made w baked bacon and cheese on jalapeno pepper halves as sides, I will NEVER need that fasting again.
I have never recommended that particular fasting to anyone, and actually referred to it as Naked and Not Afraid.
Based on these past 2 weeks of keto, including the cheese tortilla tacos my wife just made w baked bacon and cheese on jalapeno pepper halves as sides, I will NEVER need that fasting again.
Posted on 9/9/18 at 7:12 pm to HubbaBubba
Oh look, another unhealthy diet fad.
Posted on 9/9/18 at 7:20 pm to DCtiger1
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Oh look, another unhealthy diet fad.
Explain how it's unhealthy.
Posted on 9/9/18 at 7:21 pm to DCtiger1
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Oh look, another unhealthy diet fad.
Unhealthy? Did you even read the OP?
I had similar results, dropping from over 260 lbs down to 176 in about 9 months. Been maintaining 185ish since then. You think I’m more unhealthy now than I was then?
Posted on 9/9/18 at 7:31 pm to HubbaBubba
Started Atkins 40 in March. Have lost 33 lbs. Feel so much better. Want to lose 15 more.
Spouse started with me and is at goal weight. Was also able to cut BP meds in half.
I don’t miss potatoes as much as I thought I would, but I crave ice cream!!
Spouse started with me and is at goal weight. Was also able to cut BP meds in half.
I don’t miss potatoes as much as I thought I would, but I crave ice cream!!
This post was edited on 9/9/18 at 7:31 pm
Posted on 9/9/18 at 7:42 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Explain how it's unhealthy.
It isn't unhealthy for everyone like those who actually track macros and such but in general it can cause muscle loss, fatigue, and cause your body to go into starvation mode. Your heart is a muscle and your body in starvation mode can actually cause heart issues. There's speculation that it can also harm your kdineys and liver.
Also, a lot of people on keto forget to take supplements to make up for nutrients they are no longer getting from foods. Again, I know this isn't the case for everyone, but not everyone out there is doing it correctly.
The biggest problem I see with Keto, both in this thread and on the rest of the internet, is that people are impatient and in a rush to lose weight which can be very dangerous.
And before you say I have no idea what I am talking about just as an FYI I have dropped a significant amount of weight in the past year and did so while gaining muscle mass. I did/do monthly DEXA scans to monitor progress to ensure I am not doing something stupid like 500 calories per day while biking 16 miles that is damaging my body. I was patient about it and I promise I won't yo-yo like those that do keto and fall off, do keto again, fall of again, etc. I made a choice to make it a lifestyle change and not a quick fix like many here have posted how they view keto. That's why to many it's a fad and seen as unhealthy. I have about 20 pounds more to go to hit my goals both in overall weight and BF%.
I see no issues with those not using keto as quick fix and make it an actual lifestyle change.
Posted on 9/9/18 at 7:51 pm to stout
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I see no issues with those not using keto as quick fix and make it an actual lifestyle change.
This is the point and I asked that poster to explain to show they didn't know what they are talking about. Keto (which I don't do) is just like any diet. If you do a diet, quit and then start eating like shite again you'll gain the weight back. It's not that complicated.
Posted on 9/9/18 at 7:58 pm to stout
I am at a point I only want to maintain.
What supplements should I be taking if I'm doing keto the right way, avoiding rice, potatoes, bread, pasta, sweets, just carbs in general?
What supplements should I be taking if I'm doing keto the right way, avoiding rice, potatoes, bread, pasta, sweets, just carbs in general?
Posted on 9/9/18 at 8:07 pm to stout
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It isn't unhealthy for everyone like those who actually track macros and such but in general it can cause muscle loss, fatigue, and cause your body to go into starvation mode. Your heart is a muscle and your body in starvation mode can actually cause heart issues
You keep posting this an its 100% false when it comes to ketosis. When fat adapted, there is no muscle wasting until you run out of fat stores. I Don't think anyone in this thread has that problem
Posted on 9/9/18 at 8:14 pm to stout
I don't have time to argue, but starvation mode is complete and utter bullshite. Go watch snake diet videos on YouTube. Mutiple day fasting with dexa scans to back it up.
Not a huge fan of keto for body comp, I'm a lean gains style guy do to diet induced thermogenesis, but keto is amazing for healthy if done properly with balancing Omega 3 to 6 ratios. Also does help many with hunger allowing them to eat less without thinking about it due to the satity of fat and protein. On top of the diet induced thermogenesis from the protein.
Btw for anyone wondering. Fat and weight loss outside of water weight is 100% controlled from calories in vs out. Been proven a million times over.
Not a huge fan of keto for body comp, I'm a lean gains style guy do to diet induced thermogenesis, but keto is amazing for healthy if done properly with balancing Omega 3 to 6 ratios. Also does help many with hunger allowing them to eat less without thinking about it due to the satity of fat and protein. On top of the diet induced thermogenesis from the protein.
Btw for anyone wondering. Fat and weight loss outside of water weight is 100% controlled from calories in vs out. Been proven a million times over.
Posted on 9/9/18 at 8:50 pm to lsu777
quote:Not going to argue. Just provide facts.
Btw for anyone wondering. Fat and weight loss outside of water weight is 100% controlled from calories in vs out. Been proven a million times over.
Fact A. My physical from the doctor (on this past Friday morning) is a complete reversal of the bad direction I was headed. Every vital and every check mark on the blood and urine tests was within the normal range, where previously I had 12 markers that were either outside the norm or placed me in high risk. I am supplementing with B12, D and a complex multi-vitamin, plus take my obligatory tiny aspirin pill each evening, too.
Fact B. I upped my exercise routine from occasional to steady, but not overboard. I have a bad back and on multiple occasions I've pushed myself to the point of damage and not able to walk. I'm going slow and steady. I hit a stall, and know that I just need to stay steady on the plan. Sure enough, I'll go two weeks with no loss at all, and then suddenly three pounds are gone.
Fact C. I eat well. I don't come anywhere close to starving myself. I ate a 16 oz steak one evening last week, with a glass of Stone IPA, a wedge salad and asparagus, with a couple of wedges of watermelon for dessert. Got up the next day and I'd dropped a half pound from the day before. Go figure.
The doctor did notice, though, that my legs have more fluid than normal. He said that's something that happens during a period of weight loss to keep that area of the body from developing cramps. He said the more I walk and/or run, that will go away and my weight will come down some more. Anyone else note this?
Posted on 9/9/18 at 8:56 pm to HubbaBubba
I've been doing Keto since June 17th. My yearly Physical is tomorrow and I'll get to see the progress.
I'm down 25 pounds so far. All I eat is meat and vegetables. I can't imagine how that is anything but healthy.
I'm down 25 pounds so far. All I eat is meat and vegetables. I can't imagine how that is anything but healthy.
Posted on 9/9/18 at 8:57 pm to DCtiger1
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Oh look, another unhealthy diet fad.
“Modern” /accepted diet recommendations are the “fad”
A diet filled with natural fats/foods is the evolutionary norm (when using the scale of human history)
Much hubris on display to think that the nutrition experiment of the last few decades is “gospel”. Too many academic egos, corporate influence and $$$$ have tainted things...
There is a also difference between common/accepted and normal. Look around and you will see a whole bunch of common /accepted, but it is far from normal...
Posted on 9/9/18 at 9:14 pm to HubbaBubba
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Btw for anyone wondering. Fat and weight loss outside of water weight is 100% controlled from calories in vs out. Been proven a million times over.
777 is correct, like anything in life one must appreciate the nuance
A calorie deficit will result in weight loss. The issue is understanding how to do this in an sustainable, actionable manner
Example:
Let’s use Bill Gates wealth as an example
A reductionist would say that he is rich because he earns more money than he spends. They are indeed “correct”, but the statement does little to inform the overall situation with actionable recommendations. It also does not address causes.
Calories tell the thermodynamic accounting tale, but they do not speak to causality...
A diet similar to a keto template makes it easier to feel fuller while consuming nutrient dense foods. If formulated correctly, the calorie accounting takes care of itself (so you do not have to be OCD about wasting effort weighing and measuring food and logging data into apps).
This post was edited on 9/9/18 at 9:16 pm
Posted on 9/9/18 at 9:15 pm to ThinePreparedAni
Didn't use to be a donut shop on every corner, too.
Posted on 9/9/18 at 9:24 pm to HubbaBubba
Yea I wasn't arguing that you lost weight on keto, I was agreeing with you, just stating that the actual fatloss happened due to being a caloric deficit, intentional or not. Usually with keto people eat less due to the satity of the food and diet induced thermogenesis from the protein. You don't have to do keto to lose though, that's what I was pointing out is all.
And yes keto is really good for health markers especially if you balance Omega 3 vs 6 input.
And yes keto is really good for health markers especially if you balance Omega 3 vs 6 input.
Posted on 9/10/18 at 1:50 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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Spoken like a true lazy fatass.
So only lazy fat asses eat carbs? Ah, okay. You might want to have some bread, dude. You sound pretty grumpy.
Posted on 9/10/18 at 11:02 am to cbdman
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How about alcohol? Particularly Gin & red wine?
You can afford yourself a glass or two of wine, but that's about it.
Gin is 0 carbs so, as long as you afford yourself a carb-free mixer, you're golden.
Alcohol is a bit tricky from what I understand because, while it doesn't kick you out of ketosis, it does stop the fat burning process because your body will switch to burning the alcohol while it's in your system. At least that's what I parsed from a couple articles.
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You keep posting this an its 100% false when it comes to ketosis. When fat adapted, there is no muscle wasting until you run out of fat stores. I Don't think anyone in this thread has that problem
This. I've continued to lift 3-4 days a week throughout. While I haven't really made many gains of note, I have at least maintained all my pre-Keto lifting numbers while running a calorie deficit. The plan is to get to the mid-160's and then use winter to try to put on some muscle. Maybe do a month of Keto in the spring to cut off 10 lbs or so afterwards.
This post was edited on 9/10/18 at 11:09 am
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