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Keto v Whole 30 v Paleo v Bulletproof

Posted on 12/20/17 at 9:06 pm
Posted by Sandtrap
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2006
2457 posts
Posted on 12/20/17 at 9:06 pm
Anyone well-versed in these? I have to find a way to stop eating so much sweets and carbs and I don’t have the will power to do so on my own.
Posted by VABuckeye
NOVA
Member since Dec 2007
38283 posts
Posted on 12/20/17 at 9:12 pm to
I hate to be the bearer of this news but you’re the only one that can make the change. Good luck to you.
Posted by TypoKnig
Member since Aug 2011
8928 posts
Posted on 12/20/17 at 9:20 pm to
Do whatever “diet” that doesn’t really feel like a diet to you.

I’ve done Whole 30 twice now and will start it again in January. I find it the easiest to do in my mind because there is a clearly defined start and end unlike the other options.

Each time i complete it, I end up feeling much better and have adjusted my everyday diet to be much healthier because of it.
Posted by Sandtrap
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2006
2457 posts
Posted on 12/20/17 at 9:30 pm to
Can you have fruit on Whole 30?
Posted by BoogaBear
Member since Jul 2013
7348 posts
Posted on 12/20/17 at 9:40 pm to
Which one of these allows me to drink?

Some days I will gladly pass up breakfast, lunch, and dinner for beer/bourbon.
Posted by TypoKnig
Member since Aug 2011
8928 posts
Posted on 12/20/17 at 9:44 pm to
quote:

Can you have fruit on Whole 30?


Yea.

Pretty much the things that are off limits on Whole 30 are dairy, grain, alcohol, added sugar and legumes.
Posted by MiloDanglers
on a dock on a bay
Member since Apr 2012
6558 posts
Posted on 12/20/17 at 9:49 pm to
quote:

have to find a way to stop eating so much sweets and carbs and I don’t have the will power to do so on my own.


Lawd.

First of all, yes you do.

Second of all, what do you think it takes to maintain adherence to these diets you mentioned? Hmmm. Will power. There is nothing about those diets that is going to make it easier for you to avoid carbs and sweets.

Trigger alert - there is nothing metabolically advantageous about those diets, with regards to fat loss. When they work, they are just ways to reduce your calorie intake. (I.e. You get much fuller on 300 calories of chicken vs. 300 calories of chocolate). If you want to eat foods you like try googling IIFYM diet
Posted by t00f
Not where you think I am
Member since Jul 2016
102121 posts
Posted on 12/20/17 at 9:50 pm to
quote:

beer


0 if its a low/no carb diet.
Posted by Sandtrap
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2006
2457 posts
Posted on 12/20/17 at 10:33 pm to
Thanks I’ll check it out.
Posted by Zappas Stache
Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Member since Apr 2009
43145 posts
Posted on 12/20/17 at 11:38 pm to
People on the Health n Fitness board will talk to you all night about ketos and paleos and coach Os.... Wait, he is a different board.
Posted by LouisianaLady
Member since Mar 2009
83032 posts
Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:28 am to
Easy. Every single diet only works because you’re eatingat a deficit of your tdee

If you want to skip meals for alcohol, go for it

Edit - milo is spot on
This post was edited on 12/21/17 at 12:29 am
Posted by ALLin4LSU
Member since Oct 2016
1419 posts
Posted on 12/21/17 at 1:22 am to
I love Whole30. Beyond kicking the sugar habit I don’t know what your overall goals are but it’s not considered a weight loss diet (though most people do). It’s much more about improving your overall health.

I have an autoimmune disease and on Whole30 I feel better than I have in 10 years or more. My labs were done just over 30 days apart, before my first round and after, and every single thing improved.

I suggest you check out/buy the book It Starts with Food. Whether you do Whole30 or not it’s extremely informative. There are also Facebook groups that are great support and resources.

Paleo is a little less restrictive but people get around sugar by using maple syrup and honey. If you are having trouble with sugar cravings I wouldn’t start there. It would probably work well for maintenance after you get things under control.

ETA: I should have added that Whole30 eliminates certain foods for at least 30 days. Then you gradually add them back in one at a time. At the end of reintroduction you’ll know which foods are causing issues. Then it’s your decision whether it’s worth eating those foods or you restrict/eliminate them from your diet.
This post was edited on 12/21/17 at 1:30 am
Posted by zatetic
Member since Nov 2015
5677 posts
Posted on 12/21/17 at 9:48 am to
You have to watch your insulin too. Insulin is what triggers your body to store fat, so the more amount of times you set it off in the day the more fat you are going to store. So if you were to eat say, 2000 calories, but only eat twice a day you are very likely to have less fat than a person eating 1700 calories while eating five or six times a day.

With that said, I would look into desserts for these lifestyles. It sounds like that is what is holding you back. So see if any of those diets have desserts that are tasty to you and then try out that diet.
Posted by Not Cooper
Member since Jun 2015
5037 posts
Posted on 12/21/17 at 9:59 am to
quote:

So if you were to eat say, 2000 calories, but only eat twice a day you are very likely to have less fat than a person eating 1700 calories while eating five or six times a day.

No.
Posted by zatetic
Member since Nov 2015
5677 posts
Posted on 12/21/17 at 10:28 am to
Yeah. It is how intermittent fasting works.

What Is Insulin?

Dr. Berg talks about insulin and it's function. It lowers blood sugars, it drives fuel (glucose) into the cells. It acts as the key to open the door of the cell to allow active transport. It stores sugar as glucogen. It stores excess glucose as fat. It helps absorb amino acids, it helps absorb potassium and other minerals and even vitamins.

The things that stimulate insulin are:
sugar
excess protein
(lean protein more than fattier protein)
MSG (monosodium glutamate)
Cortisol from stress
Nicotine
Caffeine (excess)

To reduce insulin:
fasting and intermittent fasting
fat
Apple cider vinegar
potassium
chromium
This post was edited on 12/21/17 at 10:51 am
Posted by LSUTiger1026
Member since Sep 2017
146 posts
Posted on 12/21/17 at 10:42 am to
You are spot on. I follow a diet similar to Whole 30 as I also have an autoimmune disease. What people don’t understand is, while you can still lose weight by running a calorie deficit, you are not achieving the overall health benefits connected to a diet such as Whole 30. Just because you eat one slice of pizza instead of three, doesn’t mean you get the micronutrients your body needs to thrive. It also doesn’t help your microbiome to flourish and promote the correct level of beneficial bacteria to help run your bodily functions. Try Whole 30 for the health benefits and you will find that a side effect is weight loss. Buy the cookbooks and follow the recipes. If you are jonesing for booze or sweets, try adding them back in after 30 says but use almond, coconut, or cassava flour to bake. Use Stevia leaf extract, monk fruit, or honey for sweetener. Be careful to read ingredient lists as sometimes they add other sweeteners as filler. I hope this helps.
Posted by Not Cooper
Member since Jun 2015
5037 posts
Posted on 12/21/17 at 11:41 am to
I know what intermittent fasting is, I know what insulin is. I'm saying this blanket statement you made is wrong.
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So if you were to eat say, 2000 calories, but only eat twice a day you are very likely to have less fat than a person eating 1700 calories while eating five or six times a day.
Posted by arktiger28
Member since Aug 2005
5411 posts
Posted on 12/21/17 at 1:54 pm to
Every one of these work for the same reason and that is calorie deficit. Why not flexible diet and injoy some sweets now and then?
Posted by LouisianaLady
Member since Mar 2009
83032 posts
Posted on 12/21/17 at 2:34 pm to
quote:

What people don’t understand is, while you can still lose weight by running a calorie deficit, you are not achieving the overall health benefits connected to a diet such as Whole 30. Just because you eat one slice of pizza instead of three, doesn’t mean you get the micronutrients your body needs to thrive.


People understand this, from what I can tell. People just don't always care. Obviously, eating as clean as possible and being active and tracking your nutrients is optimal. But you have to consider each person on a case by case basis.

The majority of the truly obese/lazy/terrible eaters are going to avoid the above like the plague. To them, weight loss is unattainable, so they don't even try. But there is something really epiphany-esq about learning you can lose weight by purely eating below your TDEE. Over time, almost everyone learns that the better they eat, the more they're allowed to eat.. but it is something a lot of people have to learn on their own. And still, the average person is not going to go the rest of their lives not indulging from time to time. It is about finding the best balance for you.

Believe me, I wish I could eat like some of the hardcores on here 24/7, but it doesn't fit my lifestyle at all and if that was the only option to remain thin, I'd be fat
Posted by Hulkklogan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2010
43482 posts
Posted on 12/21/17 at 2:44 pm to
quote:

You have to watch your insulin too. Insulin is what triggers your body to store fat, so the more amount of times you set it off in the day the more fat you are going to store. So if you were to eat say, 2000 calories, but only eat twice a day you are very likely to have less fat than a person eating 1700 calories while eating five or six times a day.


quote:

Yeah. It is how intermittent fasting works.




Intermittent fasting works because you're not eating for at least one meal a day, and likely eating overall less calories.

All of what you posted is true about insulin, but it's overstated. All of that plays a much smaller role in weight management than calories and macros. You simply shouldn't store fat if you're in a caloric deficit.


This post was edited on 12/21/17 at 3:04 pm
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