re: Keto Is Stupid: Here's Why You Should Shut The frick Up And Just Eat Healthy

Do you listen to Human Performance Outliers? Shawn Baker and Zach Bitter aren't exactly the world's best podcast hosts, but they somehow attract top-level guests.

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That's certainly a fair expectation and I apologize if I read something else into what you said. But implied in a statement about "keto dieters" falling of the wagon is the idea that keto is indeed a fad and that it has some quality that makes your wagon statement worth saying. 

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A diet fad is just a diet that gains a significant popular following quickly. Fads can have scientific validity or not. The rise in popularity doesn't necessarily correlate to to the wisdom of the diet.

Keto has had a pretty rapid rise lately. The world is riddled with people who generally eat a poor diet, hop on a popular diet, then abandon it in a few months and wind up right back where they began.

I have never seriously investigated keto because I don't think I'll stick to it as a lifestyle. If there are others who can and see benefits, more power to them.

The only time I dislike the keto crowd here is when certain people act like it's the only path to heaven on earth. A lot of people, myself included, do different things with good results. There are a variety of principles with validity and the biggest fallacy is that it's (insert my diet) or unhealthy.

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The only time I dislike the keto crowd here is when certain people act like it's the only path to heaven on earth. A lot of people, myself included, do different things with good results. There are a variety of principles with validity and the biggest fallacy is that it's (insert my diet) or unhealthy.

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This is understandable, but it does not mean that it's true that any diet that someone can stick to is "good for them". Some ways of eating are objectively bad for you.

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Well, I didn't think I needed to say the 7,500 calories a day from strictly donuts diet might have problems, but it does.

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There's no need to appeal to a reduction ad absurdum case. That's not even what I meant. I mean even calorie-restricted diets that are comprised of the wrong foods are bad - whether or not someone can stick to it is irrelevant.

Wrong eating does exist.

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Also, I can't imagine a more suatainable way of eating than my own.

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Not everyone is like you. I don't see what about that is so hard to understand. Some don't like fatty meats and creams, hell some are even allergic to them.

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The only time I dislike the keto crowd here is when certain people act like it's the only path to heaven on earth. A lot of people, myself included, do different things with good results. There are a variety of principles with validity and the biggest fallacy is that it's (insert my diet) or unhealthy.

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I agree. Aside from the obvious like donuts, candy, etc most of the other foods out there nobody knows for sure if it's really bad or really really good for you. Milk, meat, oranges, etc etc have scientists and doctors going back and forth every few years if they are healthy or not. Everybody is affected differently with different foods. My brother did keto for 6 months and never felt good on it, even though he drank a shite ton of water and continued working out like he always did. His cholesterol shot up and he overall always felt tired. He doesn't eat much sugar or candy and according to him followed keto exactly like he'd been told he was supposed to.

On the other hand, my co-worker does it and felt great. My wife can eat bread and she gets stomach problems and indigestion, bread has no effect on me whatsoever. Most of the people just look up Youtube videos and google shite and think it's automatically fact. Problem is you can google and Youtube the opposite claims and consider those as facts also. Bottomline is, there is no definitive proof that keto,vegan, or whatever is the way to go.

And yes OP is correct, people getting this emotional about food, and making it out like a damn school project to figure out what to eat, is in a way, gay. It's freaking food, you are all gonna die, and you can still eat "unhealthy" to an extent and live just as happy, strong, and long as someone who eats "perfect"

ETA: Point being, if you like bread, rice, fruits, whatever, and it doesn't make you feel bad, then eat all that shite. Other shite that's known to be bad and scientists and doctors have held the same opinions for decades like honey buns, fried foods, then just eat in moderation.

Going keto or vegan hasn't been proven to prevent cancer and heart attacks. I don't care what links anybody posts, it hasn't been proven. It would be groundbreaking shite if it was, and there has in no way been enough research to prove it, only theorize that it may prevent it. A dude eating keto is gonna die of the same damn heart attack at 65 while playing golf, just like the dude who eats frosted flakes every morning.

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You can't prove this.

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I can't prove that eating a diet comprised entirely of 1500 calories of sugar per day is bad for you?

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As I've said a million times, I actually pretty much agree with you on most things. But your zealot delivery is tiresome and so cult like no one listens to you.

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What zealotry? I mean, you're right in that I do not agree with the "everything in moderation" chant. It's nonsensical.

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That's not what you said and that's not what I meant, and you know that

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Um, what? There is plenty of mainstream advice that eaters should have 65%+ of their calories in carbs (I make no distinction between carbs and sugar, as your liver and pancreas don't care). That is objectively bad advice. A cohort eating that way vs a cohort eating low carb will have a quite scientifically predictable result.

There's also the growing clinical evidence that low carb is reversing people out of Type II Diabetes. That is to say: a low carb diet is CLEARLY healthier than a high-carb diet. (Personal frustration: my father's prescribed Type II diabetic diet from his "expert" practitioners is laughably counter-productive. For breakfast every day, he has [with their blessing] one of two things: a big bowl of oatmeal with a banana on top OR 2 bowls of raisin brain with SKIM milk. )

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Aside from the obvious like donuts, candy, etc most of the other foods out there nobody knows for sure if it's really bad or really really good for you.

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This is just not true...unless you are arguing that Americans in the 1800s were somehow unhealthy as a whole. The American diet of that time period consisted of mostly meat and dairy. Vegetables, fruit and sugars in general were pretty scarce. Heart disease as an epidemic didn't start until ~1915...just after the introduction of margarine and other seed oils into the mainstream. American consumption of butter up until that time can only be described as "copious".

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His cholesterol shot up

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Irrelevant.

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My wife can eat bread and she gets stomach problems and indigestion, bread has no effect on me whatsoever.

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Just because you don't have overt allergic-type reactions to grains does not mean they are good for you. Grains are demonstrably bad for you. I mean, I agree with you that different foods have different effects on different people. That's not particularly useful or relevant when speaking of an entire population - which shows a clear tendency.

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And yes OP is correct, people getting this emotional about food, and making it out like a damn school project to figure out what to eat, is in a way, gay. It's freaking food, you are all gonna die, and you can still eat "unhealthy" to an extent and live just as happy, strong, and long as someone who eats "perfect"

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Cop out. Nobody (at least that I've see on here) is suggesting not to eat anything you like. To the contrary - most people feast on shite they've been told is forbidden for YEARS. It's clearly a trade off between health and enjoyment, and people will pick what's right for them. However, that does not mean that certain things aren't clearly less healthy than others.

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ETA: Point being, if you like bread, rice, fruits, whatever, and it doesn't make you feel bad, then eat all that shite. Other shite that's known to be bad and scientists and doctors have held the same opinions for decades like honey buns, fried foods, then just eat in moderation.

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You're not even arguing a principle...you've just arrived at a different point on the spectrum. Also, "fried foods" aren't necessarily bad for you.

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Going keto or vegan hasn't been proven to prevent cancer and heart attacks. I don't care what links anybody posts, it hasn't been proven.

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It's been somewhat proven in the sense that most Americans ate a low carb diet for decades and decades without hardly any of the shite that we take for granted as inevitable now (CVD, diabetes, obesity - and yes, that is even when adjusted for life expectancy.)

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A dude eating keto is gonna die of the same damn heart attack at 65 while playing golf, just like the dude who eats frosted flakes every morning.

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Talk about unsupported nonsense. Your final position is that diet is LITERALLY irrelevant? Heart attacks are just a fact of life, completely independent of diet?

I think I need to repeat: heart disease simply was not a big thing in the US until the early 1900s...when sugar and seed oils were foisted on the population.