re: Just had my annual physical

Well I see it says 9% for pfizer compared to 2% for control group.

But no matter how we interpret the data, we can agree on one thing. The average life expectancy in America is 78.7 according to CDC and the average age of death due to COVID is 80. So if you die from Covid you will have lived longer than average person.

There is nothing constructive that is going to come out of this thread.

There is literally nothing we can say or show Salmon to get him to accept that it perfectly reasonable for people to be suspect of the vaccine and want to wait a year or two. We are all brainwashed idiots.

There is literally nothing that Salmon can show us that will give us the same blind trust that he has. We're all just brainwashed idiots.

You linked a timeline of events on Operation Warp Speed. Here is a similar timeline, from the FDA itself, on how it “handled” the opioid crisis: LINK. Everyone saw how that worked out. Here’s a CBS story on how the FDA caved to Purdue pressure to greenlight advertising Oxy as a long term care treatment while knowing the science did not support long term care. LINK

I don’t think it’s unreasonable for people have a healthy amount of skepticism about the situation considering what we saw from big pharma and the FDA on opioids very recently. With the vaccine, we’re talking about the same exact players with even more incentive to cut corners. It’s just not realistic (or reasonable) to expect people to fully trust them given what we just saw transpire.

If you watch someone steal money from your neighbor, will you give them a loan when they ask you for one in a couple years? Probably not.

Why is this situation with the vaccine any different regarding trust?

That is some sweet projection there. I never called y’all “brainwashed idiots”

I just think y’all are focusing outliers and misinformation to form your opinions.

Y’all can link all kinds of failed FDA approvals and then I could link 100x more successful approvals. I’ve never claimed pharma companies or the government are infallible. That’s nonsense.

Don’t take the vaccine. That’s your choice. Just don’t pretend that you are being rational.

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How in the frick is that being irrational?

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My $0.02...it’s irrational because of this:

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So a healthy individual under 50 who has a 99.997% chance of surviving covid and over a 98% chance of not having any serious issues from covid

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plus...

you said earlier that you get the flu shot every year and have high risk people in your family.

If the logic for not getting the Covid vaccine is the 99% survival rate of Covid, then you also would not get the flu vaccine, but you do so that’s illogical.

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Y’all can link all kinds of failed FDA approvals and then I could link 100x more successful approvals.

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Yes but when someone in your family has been affected by one of these ‘fda approved’ craps - it makes you skeptical

Plus it says on the Pfizer website the Covid vaccine has not been FDA approved, only approved for emergency usage. I don’t care to read what the difference is.

This whole thread

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My $0.02...it’s irrational because of this:
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So a healthy individual under 50 who has a 99.997% chance of surviving covid and over a 98% chance of not having any serious issues from covid

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You aren't making sense. You are saying its irrational to not be in a hurry to take a vaccine for a virus that you virtually have zero chance of having serious complications from? Knowing the virus constitutes a greater chance of complications like bells palsey? Talk about irrational.

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plus...

you said earlier that you get the flu shot every year and have high risk people in your family.

If the logic for not getting the Covid vaccine is the 99% survival rate of Covid, then you also would not get the flu vaccine, but you do so that’s illogical.

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I never said I wasn't getting it, I will. Not gonna rush to do so, but I will be getting it. I wasn't talking about me. Salmon said anyone who doesn't get it is irrational, I was just showing how he and you are full of shite and your thought process is warped.

Just like you statement above which said someone is irrational for not choosing the option that constitutes the greater risk. How fricking warped is that?

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Cool. And for the vast majority of people, by the time you or I get to take it, literally millions of people will have received the vaccine and we will have months to almost a year worth of data.

So if the data is still good, yes, it will be completely irrational to not take it.

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I haven't seen a single person say they wouldn't take it, they would like to do exactly like you said. How is that irrational?

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Statistical outliers don't concern me.

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If statistical outliers don't concern you then why have anyone under 60 take the vaccine in the first place? Any complications from the virus are just statistical outliers anyways.

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No. We don't know this. All of the cases of Bells Palsy fell within (or lower) than the normal incidence rate.

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No, no they didn't, thats why the fda issued a notice that it should be monitored. Link your claim?

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You seem to be basing a lot of your opinions on misinformation.

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No you seem to be basing your info on only what the drug companies are putting out.

Look I'm not anti vaccine, in fact I will take it when available, but its not irrational to want to wait.

Also its ok to look at issues. The fda just said to monitor for bells palsy. There was just someone who had a reaction to the vaccine and had to be hospitalized (i know its an outlier), yes the vaccine was somewhat rushed, yes it only has emergency approval and not full approval, yes politics played a huge part in all of this. Its ok to acknowledge those things and still want to take the vaccine.

You seem to be ignoring anything that doesn't fit your agenda and calling it misinformation.

Wanf to blame someone for this BS, blame the media. Lame fauci, blame the politicians.

People are annoyed as fuxk as they have had their life's ruined. We get a vaccine and yet you still have the media pushing the "you must still keep wearing a mask and social distancing"

Fauci just said yesterday, we must keep up the same measures and can not return to normal.

Biden has called for 100 days of mask.

With all fo that bullshite being spread can you blame people for saying, "well if we have to do all that still, wtf is the point of getting a vaccine?"

And I showed you yesterday tons of headli es that show the media has been pushing the whole "the vaccine and antibodies only give you 3-6 months immunity"

I have given you tons of rational reasons why people are not going to run out and take the vaccine. But you call it misinformation and statistical outliers when having a vaccine for a virus that has a mortality rate of less than .03% for those under 60, is the definition of having a vaccine for statistical outliers.