re: How long before they start cracking down on TRT

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One of my best friends is on TRT and hes never done juice in his life.

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Cool story. For every one of those there is one of what I am discussing. There is no more deceptive industry than the fitness and wellness industry. It’s a sham.

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They aren’t juicers they are on permanent supervised TRT protocol overseen by a MD

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You are talking about ex juicers that have body dismorphy and that's not what we were talking about.

And I do agree the industry is full of fake arse people. Also filled with fricking oussies who think any one in shape is so called "cheating" ( even if they are juicing who the frick are they cheating)


But in this thread and on this board that use and talk about trt almost all are exclusively working out in damn garage gyms and have never used anything until then. Most are late 30s early 40s with kids and families. But yet you think we are all just juicers or act like it. Yea I'm sure we are just stacking gram after gram getting all swole with our single barbell, trap bar, the one 53lbs kettle bell and our homemade 50lb sand bag.
gtfo with that bullshite.

Done with this shite and Done answering questions from pussies that have never put in a honest 12 weeks of working out accusing everyone. They can all frick off.

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getting all swole with our single barbell, trap bar, the one 53lbs kettle bell and our homemade 50lb sand bag.
gtfo with that bullshite.

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Hey bitch I just bought the Nuobell for my gym. Betta recognize.

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Just about everyone I know on TRT is an ex juicer.

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We move in different circles. I know 3 people IRL on TRT. Two are over 50 and never saw the inside of a gym for the last 20 years. TRT is pure medical from genetics or just poor life choices.

The other is former military (Army) and works out at the gym I do. Dude is ripped, but he is less strong than my pudgy self. He is one of those dudes the Army fricked up in the head in the Middle East, so there has been some substance abuse. TRT is helping right his ship.

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I don’t care who uses what

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Based on your posts, that sure seems like a false statement...

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Your premise is ridiculous.

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That gyms, the fitness and wellness industry are filled with liars and bullshitters? Really?

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You assume that the people in this thread are being dishonest about a legitimate treatment for a hormone deficiency because you and your circle abused substances for years.

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I haven't assumed anything I have read the rants of some super defensive people on here which throws up red flags. Yes, I abused AAS, HGH, Insulin, and other bodybuilding compounds for years. I am willing to admit it and not hide from it. Your point?

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It ignores the vast majority of people who simply have a condition that needs treatment.

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Nobody in their 30's should be on TRT without exhausting every single other option first like proper diet and exercise. We know the things that contribute to low T. In many cases it can be fixed without TRT therapy that is the easy way out. If you try those things and they don't work sure get on TRT.

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However, that doesn’t change the fact that many people need TRT to get to natural test levels and didn’t wreck their hormones with abuse earlier in life.

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Never have I said TRT isn't a legit medical option for people.

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Natural test levels have been in the average male have been in consistent decline for years due to a variety of factors between activity levels and increased chemicals in our diet.

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Absolutely agree 100%. Soft drinks, sodas, and sugary drinks are poison along with 'snacks'. So are artificial preservatives.

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I haven’t been prescribed TRT or done the illegal stuff.

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Would not care if you did.

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No one in here is dishonest and it’s bullshite to suggest otherwise

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There sure are some super defensive people on here for this to be true. Nobody has said TRT isn't a legitimate medial option for some people. I will repeat that very few people in their late 30's should be on TRT unless they did something to suppress their own natural production. Yes we know T levels decline with age but the age ranges I see posted here are laughable. I would exhaust all measures first before jumping on TRT but I understand people wanting to take the easy way and shortcuts because I was once one of those people before I woke up and realized what the hell I was doing.

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I haven't assumed anything I have read the rants of some super defensive people on here which throws up red flags

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my rant is way less to do with TRT and much more about every pussy in the world wanting big daddy goverment to control every thing. If you ever read anything i wrote on other boards, you would know i do the same when it comes to controlling pretty much everything. Last week i was ranting abotu people wanting gambling on sports to stay illegal and to keep prostitution illegal.

People trying to control others on items that do not affect their own personal property rights pisses me the frick off.

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Nobody in their 30's should be on TRT without exhausting every single other option first like proper diet and exercise. We know the things that contribute to low T. In many cases it can be fixed without TRT therapy that is the easy way out. If you try those things and they don't work sure get on TRT.

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well since your new to this board you prolly dont know most peoples stories on here. Most that are on it have posted from the beginning when and what happened and asked for advice.

Like myself, i posted years ago when i had suddenly couldnt get my wife pregnant for our third kid. Turns out i had a vericosile which in turn apparently caused me to stop producing much sperm. My test levels were already down in the high 300s by 30. Well to get my wife pregnant i saw one of the best doctors in the world for this after local doctors just wanted to put me on test as they thought that would work. I knew it wouldnt so I went to someone better. He had me on HCG @3000 iu eod and clomid @50mg eod and that was for a year. Doctor told me before hand that it would either have my natural test levels back in normal range or would have to get on trt rest of my life as it would crush my ability to make more due to desenitization. well the opposite happened and we corrected the vericosile and still nothing.

Well when you are 32 and have natural levels in the double digits (70-80ng/dl to be exact) you tend to want to fix that.

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Nobody in their 30's should be on TRT without exhausting every single other option first like proper diet and exercise. We know the things that contribute to low T. In many cases it can be fixed without TRT therapy that is the easy way out. If you try those things and they don't work sure get on TRT.

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this we agree on 100% as do almost everyoen on this board. If you had been on here more than a couple minutes before throwing your opinion around you would know that almost everyone that brings it up is discouraged from going directly that route and is advised to get bloodwork to establish baselines before moving to try and fix the issues using other means first.

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There sure are some super defensive people on here for this to be true. Nobody has said TRT isn't a legitimate medial option for some people. I will repeat that very few people in their late 30's should be on TRT unless they did something to suppress their own natural production. Yes we know T levels decline with age but the age ranges I see posted here are laughable. I would exhaust all measures first before jumping on TRT but I understand people wanting to take the easy way and shortcuts because I was once one of those people before I woke up and realized what the hell I was doing.

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first off you are way off sayign only time people in late 30s should be on trt unless they supperssed their own production. You dont know people and injuries they may have had, you dont know their body, really dont know shite about them, neither do i.

I do agree with exhausting all measures before trt. Honestly trt kind of sucks after a while. I despise taking my shot and many times i talk myself out of taking the shot for a day or two, sometimes even up to a week or more, because after years the shite fricking sucks.

and this is where we disagree. i dont think taking steroids is a shortcut. its that persons decision and affects me zero, none, nada. Its not my thing but let them do their thing. Maybe they have goals they cant achieve naturally. If they are not competing in anything that bans the use...who the frick cares? ow is it a shortcut? i mean a shortcut to what if its just the guy in the gym trying to get stronger? i mean is using weed to stimulte hunger a shortcut? is creatine? is protein? i mean what is a shortcut and why should anyone give a frick?

my premise is more about i dont give a frick what others do, i dont want government to control any damn thing that doesnt affect my own/families personal property rights. The whole point of roe v wade was the left didnt think the government had a right to interfere in decisions between a doctor and a patient. Yet now we have liberals and so called conservatives screaming for just that. Not just with TRT but with all kinds of shite. Mind your fricking business and learn that opening the door to any and i mean any government action unleashes a shite ton of unintended consequences.

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Did y'all kinda fall off a cliff when you hit your mid 40s, or was it something you noticed gradually in your late 30s early 40s?

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I'll only speak for myself and several others I know who had identical experiences before/after TRT:

No, it definitely wasn't a "fall of a cliff" event; more of a slow, steady decline that you don't notice month-to-month or even year-to-year. But you reach a point where you ask yourself "really?". You're doing all the right things otherwise in terms of weight maintenance, exercise, eating clean, limiting alcohol/tobacco, etc. but losing strength, muscle mass, longer recovery, brain fog, depression, fatigue, anxiety, poor sleeping, etc.

I've been on TRT now for nearly a year and it has been transformative. The best analogy I can think of off hand is for those who wear glasses and got your very first pair - it's like "whoa, what a difference!", I didn't know how bad it was until it wasn't bad anymore. There's a definite "honeymoon" phase when you first start and then you have to get your dosage/protocol dialed in - it's a process not a light switch. Some builders/lifters choose to go on a "blast" for a period of time to break through barriers and yes, that's supra-physiological not TRT.

For myself on a TRT dosage/protocol, I noticed a sharp improvement in brain fog, anxiety, ability to focus and respond quickly, depression and physically I can exercise stronger, longer, and with shorter recovery times. I'm 58 and it's not like my early 20s but it's a damn sight better than it was before I started TRT.

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