re: Bio hacking?

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I consider "biohackers" crazy people like Dave Asprey and Ben Greenfield.

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Is greenfield the dude who does shrooms and DMT at the same time for the psychogenic effects and longevity?

Some of you just like to make stuff up just like the people you follow. Science be damned.

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Some of you just like to make stuff up just like the people you follow. Science be damned.

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I guess we could be like you and follow the advice of a 60 year fat doctor who graduated Med School in the 80’s, offers no advice on diet whatsoever, and watch cooking shows with the wife instead of educating ourselves on new age nutrition and exercise science.

I’m not a Keto guy, don’t find it to really be a healthy long term option. And I’m not into the Ben Greenfield drink your own urine extreme either, but I do find intermittent fasting, eating a heavily alkaline based diet, and meditation to accompany the triathlon training I’m doing a WAYYYY better option than relying on the modern healthcare industry in America to point me in the right direction. The scientists that advocate for this stuff and explain positions on YouTube or wherever it be, at least give people an option to educate themselves. I don’t know 777, I come from a world where we use real names, like Andy Chapman, but why bash a discussion about what works for you?

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Who is parroting what "keto doc"? 

And you're sort of doing exactly what you are deriding here. 

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On p. 1, Olewarskule has a post that says "Dr. Fung disagrees with you" a link to Dr. Fung and nothing else. I'd say that's parroting.

I've tried to take pains to say that I'm not attacking any style, just that I'm not a fan of a lack of openness to other styles. I am personally not a keto fan, but if it works for others, great. If that's not enough for people to feel like I'm not attacking their personal favorite, I don't know what else I can do.

If something has a decent scientific basis and you can stick to it, there's no issue.

That's something I've pushed a ton. There are a variety of ideas that have scientific backing. They only work if you stick to them.

Which one of the methods you use matters less than compliance with it. For me, calorie restriction works fine and I can do it for a while. I even cycle carbs for a little extra effect.

I'm not trying to shoot down other valid means, just when 777 talks about calories in/out, I have had success with that and I'm not a huge fan of pushing it aside.

I think that's a fair point, but it all boils does to CICO, issues or not. The body is not a closed system and can vary widely from one person to the next, so CICO is not a perfect science, nor is it meant to be. It's a tool, just like any other dietary strategy. Most of the dietary ailments we see are significantly improved or eliminated solely by being in a caloric deficit.

If someone's got issues that slows the out portion, then they need help from medical professionals (which may in fact restrict the diet)

I'm reading Layne Norton's new book about fat loss and it is awesome. They nerd out in the science, going as far as demonstrating the actual chemical processes that occur. It goes a bit above my head with that but it's interesting all the same.

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I guess we could be like you and follow the advice of a 60 year fat doctor who graduated Med School in the 80’s, offers no advice on diet whatsoever, and watch cooking shows with the wife instead of educating ourselves on new age nutrition and exercise science.

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Yea that's what I am doing. There is no new age nutrition and keto/low carb has been arpund since the 70s. A macro is still a macro, a calorie is still a calorie despite what some might want you to believe (talk about moving the goal post, we can't prove what we preach so we will just say you are measuring it wrong )

Intermittent fasting doesn't offer much of the cell turnover benefits until minimum of 72 hours so you aren't getting a ton of the benefits from IF. It is an effective tool to control calories though.

But continue spouting off about this or that when over 80% of health benefits come from strictly losing the weight loss(this is on average).

I have posted all of these studies and meta analysis plenty of times.

Hell the person that literally wrote the book on the ketogenic diet, Lyle McDonald, says the exact same thing as me. It's a tool.

You have approximately the same adherence rates between keto and iso-caloric diets.

The only advantage to keto is long term people tend to inadvertently lower calorie consumption over time on keto.

And before any of y'all spout off, learn to understand diet induced thermogensis and the thermal effect of protein and understand when these are accounted for, there is no thermic advantage that we know of with keto.

With all that said I personally use keto and IF. I usually recommend min of 50% protein and to keep DIT high. I usually recommend carbs only after working out. I can't prove carb cycling works nor at this time can I prove 16 hours of fasting burns more calories. I can prove a small thermo bump for carbs after working out but in the end it doesn't matter.

Like so many fail to understand that even my way is not the right way. There is no right way. The right way is what ever allows people to be consistent. Stop spouting bullshite

Now there are some small health benefits even to 16 hour fast but not a ton. There are some small health benefits from keto and some get more benefits then others. But again it's all about consistency more than others.

But hey continue to assume I don't know what I talking about while listening to hacks like Dr Fung.

I didn’t say you don’t know what you’re talking about, but I hav no idea who the frick you really are as a real person in real life. My name is Andy Chapman, google “Andrew Chapman Powershack” and you can see what I actually looked like when I was winning building body building competitions. Google a little more and you can see I had a professional mixed martial arts career, won a national championship in Jiu-Jitsu, and held the record for the most pin in the history of LA HS wrestling. Who the frick are you in real life?!?! Now I compete in Half Ironmans and Full Ironmans and the intermittent fasting helps both my endurance, my rest and recovery, and keeps my weight down. I’ve dealt with multiple injuries over the years and can testify to the benefits TB500 and BPC157 have on recovery. I don’t knock “whatever the frick it is LSU777 does”, I’m just saying don’t call all anything out of the mainstream as bullshite. OleWarSchool can talk about his experience with Keto Diet bc he’s done it for a while. We don’t come here to read someone repeating some bullshite science, which seem to believe hasn’t evolved over the past 40 years, we come to share our experiences with new health and diet methods.