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Who is the next iconic golfer?
Posted on 4/10/23 at 7:43 pm
Posted on 4/10/23 at 7:43 pm
Does the game experience the ratings on TV and demand for rounds after Tiger hangs it up?
He moved the needle to warp speed for tournament broadcast ratings, prize money, and certainly dominated for more than a decade. He made golf cool for many people.
With the group of athletic players motivated by Tiger, does golf maintain Tiger ratings and purses?
I always enjoyed playing and watching golf. I went to the 1984 PGA championship at Shoal Creek when Trevino won. It was not a hard ticket to get. Good crowd, but not like a crowd at majors today. I think Tiger exponentially built an audience beyond what Arnold Palmer started when TV came along, and beyond what Jack brought with his emphasis on the majors.
Who is the next iconic golfer?
He moved the needle to warp speed for tournament broadcast ratings, prize money, and certainly dominated for more than a decade. He made golf cool for many people.
With the group of athletic players motivated by Tiger, does golf maintain Tiger ratings and purses?
I always enjoyed playing and watching golf. I went to the 1984 PGA championship at Shoal Creek when Trevino won. It was not a hard ticket to get. Good crowd, but not like a crowd at majors today. I think Tiger exponentially built an audience beyond what Arnold Palmer started when TV came along, and beyond what Jack brought with his emphasis on the majors.
Who is the next iconic golfer?
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Posted on 4/10/23 at 8:16 pm to makersmark1
Tiger is the needle. The next iconic golfer is nobody that we know about right now.
Posted on 4/10/23 at 8:25 pm to reauxl tigers
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Tiger is the needle.
Will purses contract with his absence?
Will tickets be a little easier to get at the Masters?
Will he try broadcasting?
Posted on 4/10/23 at 8:27 pm to makersmark1
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Who is the next iconic golfer?
Probably Charlie Woods.
Posted on 4/10/23 at 8:37 pm to adamb2151
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Probably Charlie Woods.
He certainly has access to the best of everything.
Nicklaus has a grandson, GT, who might get some press.
Posted on 4/10/23 at 9:24 pm to makersmark1
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Who is the next iconic golfer?
Golf Cart Tiger on the Senior Tour. Purses will double and we’ll be able to watch him on featured group coverage.
Rory was to be the next one. Then it was supposed to be Spieth. Now it’s Scheffler and Rahm. The fact is, there may never be another one.
Posted on 4/10/23 at 9:40 pm to makersmark1
I would say no one will be able to sustainably separate like Tiger did without substantial changes made to equipment rules as they are today. There’s too much parity in coaching, technology, nutrition, fitness, equipment, etc.. You’ll have players have Tiger-esque bursts for 2-3 years, but I don’t see another guy winning 50+ events and double digit majors in a 10 year period anytime in the near future. The fields are too deep with great athletes now. Tiger’s true prime coincided with one of the worst top-of-the game talent pools in the history of golf. Freddy was washed up from his back injury. Norman had his knee taken out by Bill Clinton (weird but true), Faldo was done, Seve was done. Payne was done, Phil wasn’t quit Phil yet. Tigers toughest competition for his true prime was Vijay, Ernie, O’Meara, Monty and Phil. Ernie all but laid down died when Tiger came onto the scene. Watch his interview after the 2000 US Open. He was a beaten and broken man.
If there is another generational talent out there, he’s likely being built in a lab in China or Korea right now.
If there is another generational talent out there, he’s likely being built in a lab in China or Korea right now.
This post was edited on 4/10/23 at 9:42 pm
Posted on 4/10/23 at 9:46 pm to dpd901
Scottie if he can learn to putt. Dude led the field in strokes gained approach and was almost last in putting. Still finished T10.
Posted on 4/10/23 at 11:07 pm to makersmark1
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Nicklaus has a grandson, GT, who might get some press.
I don’t think he even plays golf.
Posted on 4/11/23 at 8:23 am to dpd901
Story on Clinton taking out Norman?
Posted on 4/11/23 at 8:53 am to Tyga Woods
It goes without saying there will never be another Tiger. It’s all semantics but I still consider Rory “iconic” even though he never has or will come close to the status of a Tiger or Jack or Arnie. If those three are the bar it’s someone we don’t even know yet.
Might be prisoner of the moment but I think Rahm has the chance to win enough along with the charisma to surpass a Rory status and be in that next tier of all time greats (behind the Mt Rushmore types)
Might be prisoner of the moment but I think Rahm has the chance to win enough along with the charisma to surpass a Rory status and be in that next tier of all time greats (behind the Mt Rushmore types)
Posted on 4/11/23 at 9:00 am to makersmark1
The field of golfers out there is so good, the parity will probably prevent anyone from ever going on a run like Tiger did. You’ll always have a couple above the rest but the overall field of golfers now and coming will keep getting stronger. Having a separate tour like Liv also makes it difficult as well. No one will ever be as iconic as Woods
Posted on 4/11/23 at 9:29 am to RiceGravy11
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Having a separate tour like Liv also makes it difficult as well. No one will ever be as iconic as Woods
I kind of partially agree. My counter is I think you ask the same question back in the early 90's and I bet everyone would agree that there would never be another Jack. Tiger took that torch and ran with it. So, looking back to 2017, I think lots of people were speculating that Brooks might pick up the torch from Tiger. He absolutely dominated that 2 year stretch until he got hurt. Now that he is healthy again, can he get back in the groove that he set a few years bck being that he is not competing on the same level of competition as the PGA tour?
Posted on 4/11/23 at 9:59 am to makersmark1
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Will purses contract with his absence?
This is promising.
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The final round averaged drawing 12.06 million viewers, which was up 19 percent from Scottie Scheffler's win in 2022, according to CBS. That also makes it the most-viewed golf telecast on any network since the 2018 Masters, in which Patrick Reed held off a bunch of big names, including Rickie Fowler, Jordan Spieth, Rory McIlroy, and Rahm.
Master's Ratings
Posted on 4/11/23 at 10:43 am to dpd901
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Tigers toughest competition for his true prime was Vijay, Ernie, O’Meara, Monty and Phil. Ernie all but laid down died when Tiger came onto the scene
David Duval's prime was probably the best player Tiger faced in his prime. Duval. He just couldn't get it done in the majors to make it a big rivalry.
But to the OP's point, just popularity wise, it's probably Charlie Woods if he has the game to make it to the tour. Too early to say if he will have pro talent.
Current tour guys that could go down as "iconic" is Rory if he wins the Masters to get the career grand slam. That puts you in the iconic grouping.
Scottie is only 27 and definitely has the ability to win more majors. But there are so many incredible golfers out there I don't think there will be a guy that can win 10+ majors. Or even 7+ for that matter. 6 majors would put a guy in the top 15 majors list. Phil is at 5 and I'd say he's definitely an iconic golfer. Brooks is at 4 and definitely isn't. But he showed that he's not done yet.
Posted on 4/11/23 at 10:43 am to MWP
I would just say that the field now is sooo much better than when tiger was on his run. I don’t think that takes away from what he did,I personally think he wouldn’t have won as much if he was in this era. The technology and data at this point can really make a difference
Posted on 4/11/23 at 10:59 am to RiceGravy11
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would just say that the field now is sooo much better than when tiger was on his run
Maybe TWs biggest legacy is motivating the current 20-35 year old elite golfers to create the deepest talent pool the game has ever seen.
Literally 40 guys could win any time they tee it up.
Posted on 4/11/23 at 11:55 am to dpd901
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I would say no one will be able to sustainably separate like Tiger did without substantial changes made to equipment rules as they are today. There’s too much parity in coaching, technology, nutrition, fitness, equipment, etc.. You’ll have players have Tiger-esque bursts for 2-3 years, but I don’t see another guy winning 50+ events and double digit majors in a 10 year period anytime in the near future. The fields are too deep with great athletes now.
To add to this, the peaks are going to be shorter and at younger ages now given the physical demands on the body the best of the best of the best are undertaking to get to 125+ MPH ball speed. You're kind of already seeing that to a degree with the shift in average major winner age and with so many of the recent top tier guys having injury issues (Brooks, JT, DeChambeau, Zalatoris, etc., etc.).
Posted on 4/11/23 at 8:42 pm to makersmark1
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Will purses contract with his absence?
No way. Tiger, and to a lesser but just as important degree Phil, have ensured purses are here to stay.
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Will tickets be a little easier to get at the Masters?
Seriously?
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Will he try broadcasting?
I’ve listened to some of his instructional stuff and it’s honestly pretty good. Tiger has kind of embraced his role as the big brother on tour and seems to really have developed a good relationship with JT, Rory, Speith and those guys. I could see him doing some commentary or at least trying it.
Golf has never been better than it is now in my lifetime. You’ve got a solid generation of talent in the pros with numerous multi major winners and a ton of guys that compete with quality rounds. As much as I enjoyed watching Tiger dominate in a manner than likely will never been seen again, golf as a whole is much better than it was then.
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