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re: USGA and R&A declare "long distances must stop"
Posted on 2/4/20 at 8:38 pm to Number 9 Fan
Posted on 2/4/20 at 8:38 pm to Number 9 Fan
You can bifurcate to make pros play different balls, but you can't bifurcate majors and regular tour events. Watch how much these guys struggle playing foursomes at the Ryder Cup with someone with a different ball. These guys are playing a very specific ball, which may be a year or two old bc they know exactly what it does. You can't have them changing balls week to week. I still think there are issues with bifurcation with the guys looking at going pro or playing high level amateur golf, but that is a small amount of people.
You also can't arbitrarily add bunkers and water at 290 yards. Hitting it far shouldn't be a penalty in and of itself. It's part of the game. You can't penalize people for being good at something that is part of the game and has always been part of the game.
Skinny fairways don't make a difference unless the rough is really penal, and that isn't the norm. For most weeks, these guys just beat it down there as far as possible and wedge on from the rough. Missing the fairway isn't a penalty with wedge in hand. Also, like what was said above, shot dispersion inherently makes having skinny enough fairways impractical.
If they rolled back the ball/clubs, you could start playing golf courses that haven't held a tournament in decades. You also wouldn't have to expand golf courses, maintain an extra 700 yards of golf course, etc. None of this is going to happen quickly, if at all. My best guess is they stop it here and limit everything to prevent future length from technology.
You also can't arbitrarily add bunkers and water at 290 yards. Hitting it far shouldn't be a penalty in and of itself. It's part of the game. You can't penalize people for being good at something that is part of the game and has always been part of the game.
Skinny fairways don't make a difference unless the rough is really penal, and that isn't the norm. For most weeks, these guys just beat it down there as far as possible and wedge on from the rough. Missing the fairway isn't a penalty with wedge in hand. Also, like what was said above, shot dispersion inherently makes having skinny enough fairways impractical.
If they rolled back the ball/clubs, you could start playing golf courses that haven't held a tournament in decades. You also wouldn't have to expand golf courses, maintain an extra 700 yards of golf course, etc. None of this is going to happen quickly, if at all. My best guess is they stop it here and limit everything to prevent future length from technology.
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Posted on 2/5/20 at 6:37 am to RD Dawg
I wish recreational golf was 14 or 16 holes, but it will take an act of god to make that change.
Posted on 2/5/20 at 6:45 am to The Johnny Lawrence
They would really hurt the game for the average golfer if they started to kill the ball. I play with a few guys who carry it 220. If they start carrying it 205 they’re going to have 3 woods into par 4s.
They don’t need to change the ball for the average player because cam champ hits it 360.
They don’t need to change the ball for the average player because cam champ hits it 360.
Posted on 2/5/20 at 7:31 am to The Johnny Lawrence
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My best guess is they stop it here and limit everything to prevent future length from technology.
Pretty much what the article said what the R&A president said on NBC sports.
He also talked about the "environmental impact" of the current game multiple times along with climate change.Its taking a political turn and the R&A guys don't seem to want any sort of compromise.
This post was edited on 2/5/20 at 7:31 am
Posted on 2/5/20 at 7:33 am to Swagga
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They would really hurt the game for the average golfer if they started to kill the ball. I play with a few guys who carry it 220. If they start carrying it 205 they’re going to have 3 woods into par 4s.
People would change tee boxes. It wouldn’t be necessary to build these massive courses. You’d play from 6200 as opposed to 6700
Posted on 2/5/20 at 7:50 am to hehateme2285
Or you'd change golf courses and go back and play shorter courses that you haven't played in years bc they are too short.
Posted on 2/5/20 at 8:16 am to Hou_Lawyer
quote:Don't like this at all.
The answer is bifurcation.
Posted on 2/5/20 at 10:41 pm to AlxTgr
In reality, bifurcation has already happened.
I’m not Uber talented and cannot shoot 65 on a 7400 yard course.
The very top end of golf is so good that courses basically have to call par 70 or watch guys shoot 20 under in their tournament.
I actually don’t care what the pros shoot. Low man wins whether 20 under or 20 over.
The game of golf has real challenges of skill, time, and money.
Future course will need to consider 6 hole loops for after work play. Most of us don’t need to play the tips to have a challenging round.
I’m not Uber talented and cannot shoot 65 on a 7400 yard course.
The very top end of golf is so good that courses basically have to call par 70 or watch guys shoot 20 under in their tournament.
I actually don’t care what the pros shoot. Low man wins whether 20 under or 20 over.
The game of golf has real challenges of skill, time, and money.
Future course will need to consider 6 hole loops for after work play. Most of us don’t need to play the tips to have a challenging round.
Posted on 2/5/20 at 11:38 pm to hehateme2285
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People would change tee boxes. It wouldn’t be necessary to build these massive courses. You’d play from 6200 as opposed to 6700
Why in the everliving frick would I be happy about being forced to change what I do so Bubba Watson can hit a 3 iron into number 15 at The Masters instead of a 9 iron? The USGA is ridiculous.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 3:56 am to TchoupitoulasStreet
There are basically three options from here.
1. They don't change anything and they let the distance gains continue. Even as a bad golfer, you'd eventually be able to hit it far enough to make some courses irrelevant or boring. Courses would continue to grow to keep up with distance gains. That means older courses would have to buy more land or completely rework tee locations and hole designs (both aren't cheap). The newer courses would just have a larger footprint. In both cases, the maintenance cost would go up for the increased acreage. It isn't sustainable on this path for multiple reasons.
2. They leave it as is, which is what I think they'll ultimately do. Some think this still isn't enough and they need to dial it back.
3. You dial it back some. It won't have large impact on the average golfer. But it allows courses to maintain a smaller footprint. It makes the game less bomb and gouge and more finesse. It would reward better golfers. It's realy easy to move up a tee. It's really hard to move back if you're already at the back.
1. They don't change anything and they let the distance gains continue. Even as a bad golfer, you'd eventually be able to hit it far enough to make some courses irrelevant or boring. Courses would continue to grow to keep up with distance gains. That means older courses would have to buy more land or completely rework tee locations and hole designs (both aren't cheap). The newer courses would just have a larger footprint. In both cases, the maintenance cost would go up for the increased acreage. It isn't sustainable on this path for multiple reasons.
2. They leave it as is, which is what I think they'll ultimately do. Some think this still isn't enough and they need to dial it back.
3. You dial it back some. It won't have large impact on the average golfer. But it allows courses to maintain a smaller footprint. It makes the game less bomb and gouge and more finesse. It would reward better golfers. It's realy easy to move up a tee. It's really hard to move back if you're already at the back.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 9:27 am to The Johnny Lawrence
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My best guess is they stop it here and limit everything to prevent future length from technology.
Honestly this makes the most sense.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 9:50 am to AtlantaLSUfan
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I wish recreational golf was 14 or 16 holes
then just play 9 nine and go home.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 9:58 am to AtlantaLSUfan
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I wish recreational golf was 14 or 16 holes, but it will take an act of god to make that change.
You can play any number of holes you wish.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 12:51 pm to lsu13lsu
This morning Carl Paulson was talking about this and he is for bifurcation in two ways: (1) Rolling back the ball or some equipment for the pros, and (2) actually making the amateur equipment hotter.
His argument was the distance the average golfer at certain handicap ranges drive the ball. Specifically some of the older golfers that can barely carry a driver 200 yards.
His argument was the distance the average golfer at certain handicap ranges drive the ball. Specifically some of the older golfers that can barely carry a driver 200 yards.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 1:00 pm to GWfool
I don't like that because it would make all amateur equipment hotter. i.e. college golf, state am, low handicaps. Those guys will be hitting it as far as the tour pros hit it now on courses that can't hold them. The really long courses are already PGA Tour venues. If you give good am golfers PGA Tour length, it makes the average golf course ams play unplayable or not as fun to play.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 1:11 pm to GWfool
If you make equipment hotter, it’d not as if an 18 handicapper will become Tiger Woods.
That power fade might become a slice, that big draw a snap hook.
Shots that go off line will go farther off line.
That power fade might become a slice, that big draw a snap hook.
Shots that go off line will go farther off line.
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