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re: Other than the Majors, Scheffler not having to compete with some of the LIV…
Posted on 6/10/24 at 11:04 am to RawDog7984
Posted on 6/10/24 at 11:04 am to RawDog7984
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none of these guys are touching Scottie right now. The level Scottie is on is a couple tiers ahead of anybody else
scottie is clearly the best golfer in the world by a very wide margin right now
that said, the weekly PGA stops are unquestionably less competitive than they were prior to the LIV split. That is felt more in the 5-20 spots who are peppered with "who?" every week now instead of guys like gooch, Ancer, neimann, Varner, etc
LIV has a lot of guys that can/did win on the PGA tour but who knows how many wins that would have taken from Scotties with how insane he is right now
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Posted on 6/10/24 at 11:35 am to lsupride87
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I believe he is the 14th ranked LIV golfer on DataGolf
That’s pretty damn bad for him man.
Fair enough, that is pretty low for him. Should definitely be top 5.
Posted on 6/10/24 at 11:42 am to iwyLSUiwy
He was 7th highest (37) on data golf last week.
Not sure what happened to him on the back 9 yesterday, but he shot an 80. He dropped 20 spots on data golf which will happen with a bad round & playing less golf.
I don’t think that’s a good indication of Cam Smith’s form though. He finished T6 at Masters & played well in most of the LIV tournaments this year.
He’s one I would count on showing up at US Open as well as Brooks, Bryson, & Burmester. Not sure about Rahm with his foot issues
Not sure what happened to him on the back 9 yesterday, but he shot an 80. He dropped 20 spots on data golf which will happen with a bad round & playing less golf.
I don’t think that’s a good indication of Cam Smith’s form though. He finished T6 at Masters & played well in most of the LIV tournaments this year.
He’s one I would count on showing up at US Open as well as Brooks, Bryson, & Burmester. Not sure about Rahm with his foot issues
This post was edited on 6/10/24 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 6/10/24 at 12:23 pm to JimTiger72
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Obviously Rahm & probably should include Niemann, Burmester, Cam Smith would be included too
Healthy rahm I totally agree. I don’t think you can put Niemann and burmester in the conversation.
Cam has shown he can compete and beat Scottie, but that seems like a long time ago.
Posted on 6/10/24 at 12:41 pm to Swagga
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I don’t think you can put Niemann and burmester in the conversation.
That’s fair, but if you’re talking about best LIV golfers then they’re up there.
Not the best example for Scottie, but Burm only finished 1 shot behind him at PGA.
Posted on 6/10/24 at 5:57 pm to TDTOM
I believe Rahm is hurt.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 7:17 am to saturncube21
LIV is a joke man. Not saying all their players are but look at the level of golf most of them are playing over there. Koepka has enough frick everyone in him to still be competitive but the rest will slowly lose their game.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 9:11 am to CDUBTX
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but the rest will slowly lose their game.
This is just simply not true & continues to be repeated by the LIV haters. Yeah it’s maybe true for a few of the older guys (Westwood, Poulter, Phil, Bubba, etc) or some of the fringe PGA guys (Varner, Na, Perez).
Then you’ve got guys like Bryson who are playing better since leaving PGA. Burmester, Niemann, Ortiz, are probably playing some of the best golf of their career since joining LIV.
At least half of their roster would be top 50 guys on PGA Tour currently if they would have stayed
Posted on 6/11/24 at 10:02 am to JimTiger72
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Then you’ve got guys like Bryson who are playing better since leaving PGA.
I don’t think his improvement has anything to do with leaving the PGA. He’s a very talented golfer, but he’s also been a bit of a kook. His quest for attention related to things like same-length irons; overtly demonstrative on course shot-by-shot calculations of wind direction, barometric pressure, lunar positioning and the moon’s gravitational pull; his obsession with distance off the tee, which caused him radically alter/build a body that he could never sustain, etc., seem to have subsided. He seems to have matured. And if he has, then he’s a terrific golfer who can be successful regardless of where he plays.
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Burmester, Niemann, Ortiz, are probably playing some of the best golf of their career since joining LIV.
How can we conclude this to be true? They are playing exhibition golf a few times a year against a set field that is collectively weak.
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At least half of their roster would be top 50 guys on PGA Tour currently if they would have stayed
I’ve no interest to entering a Golf Board slap fight, but this is simply absurd. Even the LIV PR firms don’t make this claim.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 10:05 am to JimTiger72
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At least half of their roster would be top 50 guys on PGA Tour currently if they would have stayed
Not even you believe this
Posted on 6/11/24 at 10:10 am to lsufball19
You’d have a hard time convincing me guys like Paul Casey, Kevin Na, Thomas Pieters, Jason Kokrak, Varner, etc would have dropped in OWGR rankings once signature events started up.
They would still be there
They would still be there
Posted on 6/11/24 at 10:21 am to DallasTiger
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How can we conclude this to be true? They are playing exhibition golf a few times a year against a set field that is collectively weak.
Datagolf rankings have nothing to do with the level of competition, just their performance on the golf course.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 11:01 am to JimTiger72
Waiting for the pro gooch comments
Posted on 6/11/24 at 11:04 am to JimTiger72
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Datagolf rankings have nothing to do with the level of competition, just their performance on the golf course.
That actually is not entirely true.
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They are determined by averaging the field-strength adjusted scores of each golfer across professional and amateur tournaments, with more recent rounds receiving more weight.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 11:25 am to DestrehanTiger
Well then this can’t be true either…
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They are playing exhibition golf a few times a year against a set field that is collectively weak.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 11:57 am to iwyLSUiwy
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Eh, massive struggle street is a bit much. He finished 2nd outright in the previous LIV tournament and was in a playoff earlier in the year. 10th overall in LIVs standings.
OK, but a couple of years ago he was the #1 player in the world. I think it is fair to say his game has regressed
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:19 pm to Tiger1242
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OK, but a couple of years ago he was the #1 player in the world. I think it is fair to say his game has regressed
I think he only ever got to #2. Then bolted quickly after.
I think if I had to rank the players, I'd probably have Cam Smith as a top 12 player. Yea, he's not the #2 player any more but he's still one of the best in the world despite having some struggles.
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