re: Name a Course that beat you down even though you were playing your best at the time.

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Latour

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The course as originally designed could be a bear before they mowed the native areas back so much. You had to drive it really well and they had that talcum powder sand in the bunkers in the early days as well. #RIP OG LaTour

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Did you actually use driver and 3 wood

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Yes all day. You have to play the right tees, and the fairway widens at that point.

The old Lagoon Legend in Panama City, Fl. before the reno. Played it 4 times and when I thought I had a handle on it, boom, triples, doubles come a running. No telling how many balls I lost on that trip. Bluffs from the tips is bad arse as well.

Okabourne kicks my arse every weekend and I've been playing there for 12 years

I have a lot of days out there where I am striking the ball so well, and really can't think of a shot that I'd want back or do something different, and still shoot 85.

Lowest score ever there was 78 this year and it's the only time I've broken 80 there in 12 years. (I'm a 9 index). I basically had all time highs in FW and GIR hit that round. It's the only way to go low there. You just absolutely cannot miss off the tee. Even some fairway hits leave you no shot to the green (left FW on #12 and #16 the biggest examples)

Hardest part about the course IMO is how hard it is to get up and down for par if you miss greens. You really have to have soft hands around the green and know where to land shots because the greens are so firm and fast, you get so much roll out. And most of your misses end up being short sided, downhill lie to a downhill green, etc

Played Royal Birkdale a month ago. Winds blowing 55mph and rain. This 3 handicap shot a smooth 88. Usually hit wedge or nine iron 150 yards, hit 5 iron and still came up 20 yards short. Caddie said Jordan Speith would shoot 80 today.

I think both courses you mentioned that I’ve played (Walden and Riverplace) are near impossible if you’re playing them for the first time without a good golfer. You have to hit so many tee shots to precise yardages which are blind. Difference is with Walden you’re generally in the trees (sometimes houses) if you miss and Riverplace you’re off a cliff if you miss.

I remember Greg Norman was doing an exhibition at Walden Lake Conroe years ago and he tried to hit that island par 5 in two three times and didn't get there.

Absolutely a brutal hole at Walden with any wind at all.

I remember they had a few Q schools at Waterwood National and it crushed the field. Seems like Freddie Couples got his tour card there.

I forgot about River Place. Diabolical. The Vandergrif HS team plays there