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re: LIV Players file a Anti-Trust suit against the Tour
Posted on 8/4/22 at 12:47 am to TitleistProV1X
Posted on 8/4/22 at 12:47 am to TitleistProV1X
I don’t think there’s a co-existing here. Saudis want to prove they have the hegemony to take over a major global product. Just so happened the Tour was ripe for picking because of their shite leadership.
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Posted on 8/4/22 at 5:54 am to 3oliv3
I agree. LIV announcing more events was all I needed to see to know they have greater intentions than being an 8 week exhibition thing. PGA Tour is going to fight them hard.
Posted on 8/4/22 at 6:30 am to Swagga
If the PGA Tour would have just granted the waivers rather than banning players for playing on LIV, would LIV have increased the number of events? It’s going to be hard to keep players happy with only 8 events when they can’t play in any other events.
Posted on 8/4/22 at 6:44 am to SingleMalt1973
I think LIV ultimately would have. One of their major selling points was getting all this money and only having to play 8 weeks, so I’m not sure I buy the happiness issue with only playing 8 tourneys.
I think their plan was always to expand and will continue.
I think their plan was always to expand and will continue.
Posted on 8/4/22 at 7:52 am to Tiger1242
The one thing that seperates them from the “independent contractor” verbiage is they pay a membership fee per year to be a member. Not sure how they even have a leg to stand on here.
Posted on 8/4/22 at 7:57 am to BallChamp00
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The one thing that seperates them from the “independent contractor” verbiage is they pay a membership fee per year to be a member.
Well shite, toss it out. Clear as day.
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Not sure how they even have a leg to stand on here.
Legal scholar ball champ has opined. Next case baliff
Posted on 8/4/22 at 8:04 am to BallChamp00
Because antitrust, monopoly, and 501(c) bylaws still apply, regardless if you signed a membership agreement or not.
Posted on 8/4/22 at 8:07 am to CFDoc
The PGA Tour by their actions is basically saying we own the sport of professional golf. The discovery could get wild. Imagine emails from the Tour to players sponsors showing that the Tour put pressure on those sponsors to cut ties with players.
Posted on 8/4/22 at 8:31 am to BallChamp00
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The one thing that seperates them from the “independent contractor” verbiage is they pay a membership fee per year to be a member. Not sure how they even have a leg to stand on here.
This is a pretty bad take
I’m not sure how the PGA tour defends the position of “banning the players promotes the anti-competition laws we are accused of breaking.” Having less of the best players in the world literally makes the tour less competitive. I used the word literally correctly
The TRO will most likely be granted (similar to the Scottish Open) and Gooch/Swafford/Matt Jones will be playing in the playoffs next week
Posted on 8/4/22 at 8:54 am to CFDoc
quote:Yup. I would not want to defend the Tour's case.
Because antitrust, monopoly, and 501(c) bylaws still apply, regardless if you signed a membership agreement or not.
Posted on 8/4/22 at 9:47 am to Tiger1242
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get your point but you have to admit the PGA’s essentially zero tolerance policy is a little ridiculous.
The PGA tour has always had a zero exemption policy for US based events. Players couldn't /can't play in ...charity events when a tour event is being conducted. The Tavistock cup.. Between, initially, Isleworth and Lake Nona's pros... Had to be played on Mon and Tues to avoid the conflict with the rules. This has been a long standing rule with zero exemptions. Conflicting events overseas....yes there have been exemptions. I don't see why the exemption thing is an issue. The PGA Tour hasn't alteres policy to single out LIV. The LIV isn't just overseas (if it where... Then exemptions may have been granted ) but does the LIV want players on 5 exemption status or to play vall the LIV events plus what vever events players want to play on the PGA Tour... That don't conflict with contractual obligations to play in the LIV?
Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:03 am to the_watcher
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not sure how the PGA tour defends the position of “banning the players promotes the anti-competition laws we are accused of breaking.” Having less of the best players in the world literally makes the tour less competitive. I used the word literally correctly
The path that I can see for lIV is .. Monday qualifying. That's open to players of a certain handicap that have no standing on the PGA Tour. I could give it a shot...if I were better
But the PGA tour saying.. Go play where ever you want... And you are welcome back here when you feel like it.... That attitude, which is what LIV is saying the Tour should adopt, would absolutely be detrimental to the PGA Tour and the players not handpicked by Norman to be on the LIV
Why shouldn't the Tour do what's in the best interest long term of all it's members... Not just a handful
Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:41 am to SuperOcean
quote:I get what you're saying, but in reality, I don't think that many would be able to do this. Some joined LIV to play fewer weeks over all. The players wanting to still have access to the Tour have to become eligible or maintain status. Sure, it's easy for Phil, but the bulk of them may have a difficult time doing this.
But the PGA tour saying.. Go play where ever you want... And you are welcome back here when you feel like it.... That attitude, which is what LIV is saying the Tour should adopt, would absolutely be detrimental to the PGA Tour and the players not handpicked by Norman to be on the LIV
Posted on 8/4/22 at 11:03 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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Legal scholar ball champ has opined. Next case baliff
Nope. Just a pga card carrying member just like them.
Posted on 8/4/22 at 11:10 am to CFDoc
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Because antitrust, monopoly, and 501(c) bylaws still apply, regardless if you signed a membership agreement or not.
I’d have to look through all the writing in my membership with the pga but I’m assuming they have clauses they can suspend players as what they see fit for any reason they want.
Posted on 8/4/22 at 11:25 am to BallChamp00
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I’d have to look through all the writing in my membership with the pga but I’m assuming they have clauses they can suspend players as what they see fit for any reason they want.
Again, federal antitrust and monopoly laws can make anything you signed null and void.
Posted on 8/4/22 at 11:37 am to SingleMalt1973
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The PGA Tour by their actions is basically saying we own the sport of professional golf. The discovery could get wild. Imagine emails from the Tour to players sponsors showing that the Tour put pressure on those sponsors to cut ties with players.
I really don't think RBC needed any incentive from the PGA Tour to cancel Dustin's deal. I mean, Dustin abandoned them the week of their major sponsorship event. I would cut ties also
UPS and Oosty Westwood.,. Not sure what leverage the tour has there given FedEx all over tour material. PGX and PReed...
I would think that what's happened so far is due to different economics ( fewer events and in different markets) or just a prime opportunity to sever ties ...I would hope the PGA tour doesn't have emails saying " Drop DJ or you get dropped from the Canadian Open"
As dumb as you think the Commissioner is...I still don't think he would be that dumb
If there are those documents.. Things would certainly be more interesting
Posted on 8/4/22 at 12:43 pm to SuperOcean
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That attitude, which is what LIV is saying the Tour should adopt, would absolutely be detrimental to the PGA Tour and the players not handpicked by Norman to be on the LIV
So that “attitude” would be, as some are saying, anti-competitive
Posted on 8/4/22 at 1:00 pm to Tiger1242
"Greg Norman is an idiot and is a bitter old man who was overrated anyway. Brandel speaks the truth. All these dudes are washed, Mickleson, Dustin and Koepka have't won crap. Davis Love knows what he's talking about."
This post was edited on 8/4/22 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 8/4/22 at 1:38 pm to BallChamp00
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I’d have to look through all the writing in my membership with the pga but I’m assuming they have clauses they can suspend players as what they see fit for any reason they want.
The Constitution once said that black peoples vote only counted as 3/5 of a white person.
A document can say whatever the frick it wants. That doesn't make it legal or enforceable. You don't know what the hell you're talking about so just shut up
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