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LIV Players file a Anti-Trust suit against the Tour
Posted on 8/3/22 at 4:41 pm
Posted on 8/3/22 at 4:41 pm
I have to say that I really like Davis Love III explain the Tours position and I agree wit him.
Reasoning -
Greg Norman goes on the Tucker Carlson show and says that the LIV field in a closed shop now meaning that they can't accommodate nor do they want any more players according to his statement. Can't have it both ways Greg.
The Players who left the Tour saying it was their right to do so knew full well what they were forfeiting and they were fine with it at the time.
They said they left the Tour under the pretense of not wanting to play so many tournaments a year. So why do they now want to add more events to their schedule ?
They left for the money and that was their right to do so and they all said that they were so much more happy at LIV, then why come back ?
IMO, allowing them back into the FedEx now would be a slap in the face to the current PGA Tour players that have been grinding to stay in the top 125 like Rickie Fowler and others.
LIV may have a right to exist and the players can choose to join them, that is the freedoms that we enjoy in this Country. But they signed agreements at the start of the PGA season and they broke the agreements with full knowledge of future repercussions of their decisions.
My 2 cents, The phrasing of Independent Contractors is totally wrong. A PGA Tour member gets to participate in Profit Sharing, Health Insurance savings and a Pension program through the Tour along with the other valuable perks that the Tour offers.
What other Independent Contractor in any other business gets these kind of benefits ?
LIV needs to fight another day, not at the end of a season when current PGA Tour players are fighting for positions to keep their cards.
Like I said before, the Lawyers will be the true winners and any injunctions this year will create even more hard feelings among players on both side.
Reasoning -
Greg Norman goes on the Tucker Carlson show and says that the LIV field in a closed shop now meaning that they can't accommodate nor do they want any more players according to his statement. Can't have it both ways Greg.
The Players who left the Tour saying it was their right to do so knew full well what they were forfeiting and they were fine with it at the time.
They said they left the Tour under the pretense of not wanting to play so many tournaments a year. So why do they now want to add more events to their schedule ?
They left for the money and that was their right to do so and they all said that they were so much more happy at LIV, then why come back ?
IMO, allowing them back into the FedEx now would be a slap in the face to the current PGA Tour players that have been grinding to stay in the top 125 like Rickie Fowler and others.
LIV may have a right to exist and the players can choose to join them, that is the freedoms that we enjoy in this Country. But they signed agreements at the start of the PGA season and they broke the agreements with full knowledge of future repercussions of their decisions.
My 2 cents, The phrasing of Independent Contractors is totally wrong. A PGA Tour member gets to participate in Profit Sharing, Health Insurance savings and a Pension program through the Tour along with the other valuable perks that the Tour offers.
What other Independent Contractor in any other business gets these kind of benefits ?
LIV needs to fight another day, not at the end of a season when current PGA Tour players are fighting for positions to keep their cards.
Like I said before, the Lawyers will be the true winners and any injunctions this year will create even more hard feelings among players on both side.
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Posted on 8/3/22 at 4:51 pm to bopper50
It’s an interesting situation for sure.
At face value I agree with the facts that an independent contractor should be able to seek better opportunities without facing the type of restrictions and bans that have been placed on them. I also agree that the LIV tour is getting discriminated against to a point by the PGA and other big players in pro golf because they fear the competition.
At the same time these LIV guys should’ve read their PGA contracts better because from what I’ve seen the PGA has every right to do what they are doing based on the contracts.
I want LIV guess to be able to play PGA events and vice versa because that’s what would be best for the game but not sure if that will happen
At face value I agree with the facts that an independent contractor should be able to seek better opportunities without facing the type of restrictions and bans that have been placed on them. I also agree that the LIV tour is getting discriminated against to a point by the PGA and other big players in pro golf because they fear the competition.
At the same time these LIV guys should’ve read their PGA contracts better because from what I’ve seen the PGA has every right to do what they are doing based on the contracts.
I want LIV guess to be able to play PGA events and vice versa because that’s what would be best for the game but not sure if that will happen
Posted on 8/3/22 at 4:58 pm to bopper50
Every single player who went to LIV did so knowing there was going to be consequences. They’ve said multiple times the perk of LIV is more money for less work and they get to be family guys, and here they are trying to get into the fedex cup.
I don’t have an issue with LIV, but if you go there you know what you’re signing up for.
I don’t have an issue with LIV, but if you go there you know what you’re signing up for.
This post was edited on 8/3/22 at 4:59 pm
Posted on 8/3/22 at 5:00 pm to Tiger1242
Yes, and I have worked as a Independent Contractor before and I still had to adhere to certain policies that the company had in place.
I think it is very interesting that DJ is not part of the suit.
I believe that LIV has a list of players that they are going to cull at the end of their season and some guys may not have a place to play.
How long will LIV tolerate Mickelson shooting 9 over every week...
I think it is very interesting that DJ is not part of the suit.
I believe that LIV has a list of players that they are going to cull at the end of their season and some guys may not have a place to play.
How long will LIV tolerate Mickelson shooting 9 over every week...
Posted on 8/3/22 at 5:18 pm to bopper50
The people that run the PGA Tour have fricked this whole thing up. Should have just granted waivers. Each player could use their 5 yearly waivers to play in 5 of 8 of the LIV events, They took a hard line and vilified players. Davis Love spewing on with this holier than thou story line from the PGA Tour. Saying the players that went to LIV broke rules. I don’t see how that is true. The commissioner said any waivers for LIV would be denied. The rule states that they can get 5 a year for this kind of stuff. Meanwhile the players called the bluff of Monaghan who was basically left holding his dick. I would bet they get the injunction and are allowed to play in FedEx cup events. The Golf Channel melt is the best part of,the whole deal.
Posted on 8/3/22 at 5:28 pm to bopper50
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IMO, allowing them back into the FedEx now would be a slap in the face to the current PGA Tour players that have been grinding to stay in the top 125 like Rickie Fowler and others.
If you can't beat guys that haven't played in a tournament in 3 months you don't deserve to be a Tour player.
Posted on 8/3/22 at 5:30 pm to Tiger1242
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At the same time these LIV guys should’ve read their PGA contracts better because from what I’ve seen the PGA has every right to do what they are doing based on the contracts.
The whole point of the lawsuit is their contracts can't say that. They know what they said, they're arguing the legality of that.
Posted on 8/3/22 at 5:37 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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If you can't beat guys that haven't played in a tournament in 3 months you don't deserve to be a Tour player.
So your saying that the LIV events are not real tournaments ?
Posted on 8/3/22 at 5:40 pm to bopper50
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So your saying that the LIV events are not real tournaments ?
No, that's not at all what I'm saying. Do you have alzheimers or some shite? Your cognitive function seems to be getting worse and worse by the day
Posted on 8/3/22 at 5:41 pm to SingleMalt1973
The PGA Tour rules were established by the Tour Players themselves, including the current LIV players.
Essentially the LIV players broke the very rules they voted on and approved.
I don't believe that LIV would have been happy with players only playing 5 LIV events.
Essentially the LIV players broke the very rules they voted on and approved.
I don't believe that LIV would have been happy with players only playing 5 LIV events.
Posted on 8/3/22 at 5:44 pm to bopper50
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The PGA Tour rules were established by the Tour Players themselves, including the current LIV players.
You could use this argument to say that a lot of the current LIV players have qualified for the FedEx Cup Playoffs based on the rules they established
Posted on 8/3/22 at 5:48 pm to bopper50
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The PGA Tour rules were established by the Tour Players themselves, including the current LIV players.
Rules get established all the time that the Courts rule illegal/unconstitutional/anticompetitive. That's the entire point of the lawsuit.
Posted on 8/3/22 at 5:57 pm to Tiger1242
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You could use this argument to say that a lot of the current LIV players have qualified for the FedEx Cup Playoffs based on the rules they established
Except that most LIV players officially resigned from the PGA Tour like Mickelson which should forfiet any legal grounds as a member.
Look, I don't put anything past a Judges rulings these days.
IMO the timing of this suit during the FedEx Playoffs is to just poke a finger into the Tours eye.
Posted on 8/3/22 at 5:57 pm to bopper50
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Except that most LIV players officially resigned from the PGA Tour
Ok, but what about the ones that didn't
Posted on 8/3/22 at 5:59 pm to bopper50
The PGA tour did not honor the 5 exemption rule. They also acted as a monopoly. They are fricked. LIV would rather have a rotation of the top 46 players at all their events (8). Than have a bunch of,these sobs from asia no one knows. They would be fine with each player doing 5 of the 8. The players who,pushed these rules are dumb as shite not seeing this train wreck coming. They basically did more damage to,the PGA than the o es that went to LIV.
Posted on 8/3/22 at 6:27 pm to SingleMalt1973
So where do these lawsuits end ?
The PGA of America has stated that they do not recognize the LIV Tour as a approved organization.
I have already said that LIV has a right to exist.
But they should build their own brand and if they are a better product than they will win out.
Is the PGA Tour perfect, probably not. But what major Company or Organization is ?
The PGA of America has stated that they do not recognize the LIV Tour as a approved organization.
I have already said that LIV has a right to exist.
But they should build their own brand and if they are a better product than they will win out.
Is the PGA Tour perfect, probably not. But what major Company or Organization is ?
Posted on 8/3/22 at 6:33 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Ok, but what about the ones that didn't
So they should be rewarded for violating rules that they approved and voted on ?
The players walked away on their own accord for whatever reason, they were informed of the Tours stance and they still left.
That's like saying a salesman that leaves a company files a suit to get his job back because he finds out the Company is going to make bonus..
This post was edited on 8/3/22 at 6:34 pm
Posted on 8/3/22 at 6:54 pm to bopper50
I get your point but you have to admit the PGA’s essentially zero tolerance policy is a little ridiculous.
A lifetime ban and immediate banishment for all guys who joined was coming out pretty hot and now I feel like they are going to have to eventually reel it back.
They may not miss guys like Phil, DJ, Poulter who are on the back end of their careers. But they were counting on guys like Bryson, Reed, Gooch, several others who still may have 20 years of pro golf left not making the jump and they did. Are they really going to ban these guys in their 20’s and early 30’s for life?
They came out too strong with their punishments, that was their mistake IMO
A lifetime ban and immediate banishment for all guys who joined was coming out pretty hot and now I feel like they are going to have to eventually reel it back.
They may not miss guys like Phil, DJ, Poulter who are on the back end of their careers. But they were counting on guys like Bryson, Reed, Gooch, several others who still may have 20 years of pro golf left not making the jump and they did. Are they really going to ban these guys in their 20’s and early 30’s for life?
They came out too strong with their punishments, that was their mistake IMO
Posted on 8/3/22 at 7:01 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Do you have alzheimers or some shite?
He doesn't, but you do.
Posted on 8/3/22 at 7:05 pm to Tiger1242
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A lifetime ban and immediate banishment for all guys who joined was coming out pretty hot and now I feel like they are going to have to eventually reel it back.
I agree.
My point was on the timing of the suit.
There's no secret that Norman hates the Tour dating back to Finchem and would love to stick it to the Tour.
They are wanting to disrupt the season ending events and its the wrong time with emotions so high.
If there is an injuction would it be surprising if a fight broke out between the players.
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