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re: Audubon Park Golf - Potential Closure
Posted on 5/18/20 at 12:56 pm to patnuh
Posted on 5/18/20 at 12:56 pm to patnuh
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What are the others?
You could probably blindly pick a public course from a list in Louisiana. But, any backed by a governmental or governmental-type entity in Lousiana.
Look if this course makes sense then show us the numbers How many rounds does it do a year? How many rounds do nearby public courses do? How much money does this course lose a year? How many actual Members of the Audobon Institute want this course?
So far this is just a call to emotion. Let's get on Facebook and keep this course open!
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Posted on 5/18/20 at 1:15 pm to lsu13lsu
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lsu13lsu
It’s difficult to tell if you are an elitist private golf course only snob, or just hate golf in general.
Posted on 5/18/20 at 1:18 pm to Dawgsontop34
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It’s difficult to tell if you are an elitist private golf course only snob, or just hate golf in general.
I actually love golf. I love public golf. When you travel around and play public golf in other places it is easy to see golf industry is completely broken in Louisiana.
Posted on 5/18/20 at 1:20 pm to lsu13lsu
And since I have been on this board explaining to people that golf as it is now will not work in Louisiana. Course after course continues to either close or discuss closing. Yet all the neigh-sayers keep telling me I am wrong.
Posted on 5/18/20 at 1:36 pm to beauxkner
Years ago - pre-2001 renovation of the course - the club house building was on Hurst, just east of Walnut. Building was owned by an old private golf club. There private space was downstairs, while the public part was upstairs.
I mention this because I wonder what happened to the old members. Did they all die off? Does that club still exist?
As I recall they may have had preferred tee times, but not much else. It was a public course with an private club on site.
I'm positive that the building still stands, but I don't know who owns it and what it's used for.
I mention this because I wonder what happened to the old members. Did they all die off? Does that club still exist?
As I recall they may have had preferred tee times, but not much else. It was a public course with an private club on site.
I'm positive that the building still stands, but I don't know who owns it and what it's used for.
Posted on 5/18/20 at 3:32 pm to beauxkner
Posted on 5/18/20 at 4:35 pm to reauxl tigers
The article basically says they are exploring what they could do that would be "better."
It also says the course breaks even in $. Losing the course would actually create higher costs for Audubon bc that area's maintenance would be absorbed by the rest of the park with no $ coming in to offset it.
I'll wait for someone to reasonably explain how any of that makes sense to get rid of the course.
It also says the course breaks even in $. Losing the course would actually create higher costs for Audubon bc that area's maintenance would be absorbed by the rest of the park with no $ coming in to offset it.
I'll wait for someone to reasonably explain how any of that makes sense to get rid of the course.
This post was edited on 5/18/20 at 4:37 pm
Posted on 5/18/20 at 7:47 pm to patnuh
It makes no sense at all.
This is extremely extremely shortsighted by the Audubon board. Of course the uptowners love the park when none of them are working right now. When everyone goes back to work and audubon doesn’t have the seniors out there spending 40 / person for a tee time they’ll ideally regret ever considering it.
To ruin 100 years of history on such a short sighted decision is extremely sad. I hope they wake up.
This is extremely extremely shortsighted by the Audubon board. Of course the uptowners love the park when none of them are working right now. When everyone goes back to work and audubon doesn’t have the seniors out there spending 40 / person for a tee time they’ll ideally regret ever considering it.
To ruin 100 years of history on such a short sighted decision is extremely sad. I hope they wake up.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 8:48 am to Swagga
WDSU had this article yesterday.
WDSU News
It doesnt help optics that the course is closed, while other courses have found ways to operate during the stay home orders.
WDSU News
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"As we have seen in the last several months, there is increased community interest in more open park space as well as maintaining the golf course. Because Audubon Park is a community park, the Audubon Commission would hold public engagement sessions and receive feedback from all park users before any change in use was considered. We appreciate all feedback from the community and we will widely announce any planning meetings in the future concerning the golf course."
It doesnt help optics that the course is closed, while other courses have found ways to operate during the stay home orders.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 11:33 am to patnuh
What is the reasoning for having the course closed? Golf is thriving nationwide right now.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 12:18 pm to LSU5508
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Golf is thriving nationwide right now.
Would anyone make the argument that golf courses are thriving in Louisiana? I am just curious.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 12:32 pm to lsu13lsu
I can only speak for New Orleans which is where I play and City Park South is hitting max rounds most days. The course I operate in Texas which does not have the benefit of population like New Orleans, is also crushing it in rounds per day.
This post was edited on 5/19/20 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 5/19/20 at 12:33 pm to LSU5508
During Corona or everyday all year?
Posted on 5/19/20 at 12:57 pm to lsu13lsu
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During Corona or everyday all year?
The twitter article already stated that this specific course breaks even in finances and losing the course would cause more of a cost burden to Audubon. Drop the argument.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 12:58 pm to lsu13lsu
No course makes money all year unless they are completely private and funded solely by a huge number of members. Corona hit about the same time as peak golf season. There are multiple studies that have shown there is a renewed interest in golf in the USA and Europe but the data cannot predict how many will stick with it after things go back to normal. Additionally there were be a longer than normal golf season this year to coincide with the late PGA season so it will not be until 2021 before trends can be determined.
This post was edited on 5/19/20 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 5/19/20 at 1:17 pm to patnuh
It actually says "Pretty much breaks even". The golf business is highly capital intensive. That isn't any fun in Pretty much break even land. Also, add to it the customers. They are notoriously finicky and flighty. To sum it up the golf business isn't any fun in a poor state like Louisiana where white collar jobs are fleeing and you have to compete with hunting, fishing and LSU Sports. The losses are completely unknown too.
They may welcome a park and happily pay a guaranteed $300k to not have to deal with the enormous headache that is the golf business. Pretty much break even is not thriving and is not fun for a business.
But, honestly reading up on this it doesn't sound like it is even closing so all this is moot. It doesn't surprise me that they are considering it though as the golf business in Louisiana is not healthy.
They may welcome a park and happily pay a guaranteed $300k to not have to deal with the enormous headache that is the golf business. Pretty much break even is not thriving and is not fun for a business.
But, honestly reading up on this it doesn't sound like it is even closing so all this is moot. It doesn't surprise me that they are considering it though as the golf business in Louisiana is not healthy.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 1:20 pm to LSU5508
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Corona hit about the same time as peak golf season. There are multiple studies that have shown there is a renewed interest in golf in the USA and Europe but the data cannot predict how many will stick with it after things go back to normal. Additionally there were be a longer than normal golf season this year to coincide with the late PGA season so it will not be until 2021 before trends can be determined.
I hope you are right. It'd be nice to see the courses doing this well permanently.
This post was edited on 5/19/20 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 5/19/20 at 1:25 pm to lsu13lsu
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golf business in Louisiana is not healthy.
The golf business has not been healthy anywhere over the last decade. Why you have chosen to argue a point that really has more to do with the business model of the sport in general and chosen to make it a Louisiana thing is beyond me. I operate the financial side of a course in Texas, some would say a pretty rich state with their shite together and they have the same issues. The south has extremely wet weather, very hot summers and semi private is just not an easy business model. The only point I will concede is Louisiana does have an over abundance of courses.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 1:26 pm to LSU5508
I cannot discuss nationwide golf. I only have experience with it here in Louisiana.
I agree with all of this.
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The south has extremely wet weather, very hot summers and semi private is just not an easy business model. The only point I will concede is Louisiana does have an over abundance of courses.
I agree with all of this.
This post was edited on 5/19/20 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 5/19/20 at 2:26 pm to lsu13lsu
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I cannot discuss nationwide golf. I only have experience with it here in Louisiana.
You seem to argue that public golf is a problem, yet in my opinion the problem with the golf in LA and more specifically the New Orleans area is the private courses.
Luling, destrehan, and Laplace have 4 privately run courses between them. That’s ridiculous
Then you have Timberlane, Stonebridge, Lakewood, English turn, and TPC all on the Westbank.
Where is the population to support all that?
This post was edited on 5/19/20 at 2:28 pm
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