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re: U.S. Senator Introduces Bill to Ban Pay to Win Micro and Loot Boxes
Posted on 5/14/19 at 4:38 pm to Drewbie
Posted on 5/14/19 at 4:38 pm to Drewbie
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How is choosing to not buy something being removed with this legislation?
Because the choice of buying it or not is being removed. You can't make a choice to purchase something or not that no longer exists.
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You still have that precious freedom of choice.
I don't have the choice to buy a lootbox. This seems to be a simple concept you can't understand.
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Don't be so emotional.
I'm not the one wanting something banned because I don't like it. That's an emotional response.
So, take your own advice.
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Posted on 5/14/19 at 5:00 pm to Centinel
quote:You poor thing! Instead you have the choice to just straight up buy whatever you wanted without the possibility of getting screwed over by RNG. THE HORROR!
I don't have the choice to buy a lootbox.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 5:02 pm to Drewbie
this thread
Posted on 5/14/19 at 5:25 pm to Drewbie
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You poor thing! Instead you have the choice to just straight up buy whatever you wanted without the possibility of getting screwed over by RNG. THE HORROR!
You said you don't buy lootboxes. Why do you have such a hard-on for wanting to control what other people do?
Posted on 5/14/19 at 7:54 pm to Centinel
quote:How are you too stupid to realize taking way the gambling gives people MORE choice in what they buy?
Why do you have such a hard-on for wanting to control what other people do?
Posted on 5/14/19 at 10:26 pm to Drewbie
Not as stupid as you for thinking this is a problem the government needs to fix.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 10:27 pm to Centinel
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You said you don't buy lootboxes.
but some do. and some are adults with loads of disposable income and dont mind paying to pull the lever and get that little rush.
but some buy a $60 game that has advertised content locked behind in-game purchases or design mechanics that impel a psychological need to just pay a few dollars, which can easily lead to an addictive response, especially to minors who are cognitively more susceptible to aggressive marketing and addictive behavior.
kids dont need to "learn their lesson" after being duped and manipulated. they need to be protected from scams.
slap an AO on any game that converts cash into in-game currency used to buy loot boxes and see if that stems the tide.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 10:35 pm to cigsmcgee
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kids dont need to "learn their lesson" after being duped and manipulated. they need to be protected from scams.
By their parents.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 10:50 pm to Esquire
quote:Not once have I said the government NEEDS to fix this problem. I just don't disagree with their stance. I also think the people crying "BUT MUH GOVERNMENT INTERFERENCE" are overreacting. The government already has legislation governing traditional gambling, including age restrictions. Lootboxes are gambling whether you want to admit it or not. It's not some crazy stretch that this would happen and I'm not exactly surprised that something like this has begun. Like I said before, other countries have already passed legislation on these very practices. Japan forces devs to release the drop rates of all items publicly. Lootboxes are now completely illegal in Denmark and Belgium after a gambling commission investigation. This isn't some out of left field proposal.
Not as stupid as you for thinking this is a problem the government needs to fix.
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 11:04 pm
Posted on 5/14/19 at 11:09 pm to Esquire
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By their parents.
yeah, in this weird fantasy land you seem to think we live in, sure.
not really all that controversial here. its a situation where the market got a little too free, and now that consumers have wised up and seen how far the trend has spread, legislators are being made aware. its how the system is supposed to work.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 6:03 am to cigsmcgee
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yeah, in this weird fantasy land you seem to think we live in, sure.
So it’s fantasy that a parent would research and be aware of what is in the video game they bought their kid? It’s fantasy that they would have a conversation with the kid before giving them free reign to charge whatever they want on the family credit card? Apparently the only fantasy I believe in is personal responsibility.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 7:05 am to cigsmcgee
The personal responsibility / free market arguments always crack me up.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 7:17 am to Esquire
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So it’s fantasy that a parent would research and be aware of what is in the video game they bought their kid? It’s fantasy that they would have a conversation with the kid before giving them free reign to charge whatever they want on the family credit card? Apparently the only fantasy I believe in is personal responsibility.
oh absolutely. this is crazy town right here.
about the last thing I expect a parent to do is helicopter into a kids hobby, take time out of their schedule to play multiple hours of a video game just to see if there is a loot box game loop, something that most parents dont even understand.
this is something I expect regulations to take care of for them, which is looking more likely.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 7:33 am to cigsmcgee
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oh absolutely. this is crazy town right here.
It's crazy town to tell your kid "you buy a lootbox, and you are no longer allowed to play the game"?
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this is something I expect regulations to take care of for them
So completely give up responsibility of being a parent to your child and instead want the government to parent for you.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 7:34 am to TheOcean
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The personal responsibility / free market arguments always crack me up.
People wanting the government to solve all their problems because they're lazy crack me up.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 7:59 am to Centinel
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So completely give up responsibility of being a parent to your child and instead want the government to parent for you.
Wow. Holy hyperbole. Muh responsibility.
Not everyone has 2 parents, or good parents. Or parents who understand what loot boxes are. Thats what public opinion and elected officials are for.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 8:07 am to cigsmcgee
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about the last thing I expect a parent to do is helicopter into a kids hobby, take time out of their schedule to play multiple hours of a video game just to see if there is a loot box game loop, something that most parents dont even understand.
This is all solved by a simple google search “does xxxx game have loot boxes” and a quick “don’t buy this” conversation.
But god forbid you take 5 minutes of your day to be a parent.
Or, even easier, just don’t give your kid access to the credit card. Crazy, I know.
Which one of these is too difficult for you?
Posted on 5/15/19 at 8:10 am to cigsmcgee
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Or parents who understand what loot boxes are.
Point me to a parent/parents who don't understand when a charge they didn't authorize appears on their credit card statement.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 8:19 am to Centinel
We are talking about cases where they authorize the charge for a 2$ box but don't accurately understand exactly what that box is
Posted on 5/15/19 at 8:30 am to Greace
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We are talking about cases where they authorize the charge for a 2$ box but don't accurately understand exactly what that box is
The parents authorized the charge. I fail to see the issue here. It's not up to you, me, or the government to tell what a parent is or is not allowed to authorize for their child to buy.
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