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re: U.S. Senator Introduces Bill to Ban Pay to Win Micro and Loot Boxes
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and its the "free market" that lets EA get exclusive rights to the NFL, Star Wars, and world soccer, essentially monopolizing the marketplace, allowing them to incorporate pay-to-win schemes, knowing that users who want to play licensed games have no other options


That’s not how monopolies work.


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re: U.S. Senator Introduces Bill to Ban Pay to Win Micro and Loot Boxes
Eh, this shite is completely predatory. Government regulation here makes a lot of sense


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re: U.S. Senator Introduces Bill to Ban Pay to Win Micro and Loot Boxes
buncha boot lickers on the GB

good lord


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re: U.S. Senator Introduces Bill to Ban Pay to Win Micro and Loot Boxes
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Eh, this shite is completely predatory. Government regulation here makes a lot of sense


How is it predatory? It's a game, no one is being forced to play it and it's not like there aren't shitloads of other games someone can play instead.

I go back again to the sports card packs... with the way politicians work they will end up passing something that winds up with people having to show their ID to prove they are at least 18 in order to buy a pack of Fleers.



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re: U.S. Senator Introduces Bill to Ban Pay to Win Micro and Loot Boxes
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Government regulation here makes a lot of sense



No, it does not.

It's not the government's job to monitor your kids.


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Porcine Human
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re: U.S. Senator Introduces Bill to Ban Pay to Win Micro and Loot Boxes
You don’t have to outright force it for it to be predatory - playing on childrens’ lack of impulse control is extremely predatory.

I don't understand those of you who are anti-government on principle - part of the function of government is to mitigate and prevent scummy, exploitative behavior.
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re: U.S. Senator Introduces Bill to Ban Pay to Win Micro and Loot Boxes
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playing on childrens’ lack of impulse control is extremely predatory.



Welcome to marketing? I mean that's exactly what toy companies, cereal companies, etc. do.

You know how you keep it from affecting you? Tell your child "No."

Radical concept I know.


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Welcome to marketing? I mean that's exactly what toy companies, cereal companies, etc. do.

You know how you keep it from affecting you? Tell your child "No."

Radical concept I know.


The difference is that microtransactions in video games are not only purchases made after an initial purchase, but also that you could theoretically purchase an endless amount of loot boxes and other bull shite. Not to mention toys and cereal are usually bought in person with oversight from a parent.

It's basically legalized gambling for children.

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The difference is that microtransactions in video games are not only purchases made after an initial purchase, but also that you could theoretically purchase an endless amount of loot boxes and other bull shite.


Turn of the ability to purchase microtransactions?

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Not to mention toys and cereal are usually bought in person with oversight from a parent.



Shouldn't parental oversight also be happening with microtransactions?

Sounds like a parenting problem to me. No need for the government to get involved.






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re: U.S. Senator Introduces Bill to Ban Pay to Win Micro and Loot Boxes
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Shouldn't parental oversight also be happening with microtransactions?

Sounds like a parenting problem to me. No need for the government to get involved.


You can't hover over your child 24/7 - teenagers (whose parents usually give them some type of financial responsibility/independence) also have impulse control issues.

In a perfect world, yes, parents would be better about preventing it. But we know that they're not, and it doesn't excuse scummy business practices.


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Centinel
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You can't hover over your child 24/7 - teenagers (whose parents usually give them some type of financial responsibility/independence) also have impulse control issues.



Turn off microtransactions. In the rare even this is not possible, remove the ability for your child to play the game. Escalate until your child understands the consequences of purchasing microtransactions without your approval.

It's not hard.

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In a perfect world, yes, parents would be better about preventing it. But we know that they're not, and it doesn't excuse scummy business practices.



None of this is a valid reason to have the federal government pass regulations.



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Esquire
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re: U.S. Senator Introduces Bill to Ban Pay to Win Micro and Loot Boxes
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The difference is that microtransactions in video games are not only purchases made after an initial purchase, but also that you could theoretically purchase an endless amount of loot boxes and other bullshite


Did the kid open his own credit card to charge this on? Jesus, teach yourself and your kid some personal responsibility before you cry for the government to parent for you.


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re: U.S. Senator Introduces Bill to Ban Pay to Win Micro and Loot Boxes
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Did the kid open his own credit card to charge this on? Jesus, teach yourself and your kid some personal responsibility before you cry for the government to parent for you.
The real question is why are grown men on here arguing for gambling so much when the alternative is much more consumer-friendly?

Who in their right mind would rather throw money at a slot machine just to hope they get the item they want instead of being able to buy that item straight up out of the e-store? frick loot boxes. It's a shitty practice.
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re: U.S. Senator Introduces Bill to Ban Pay to Win Micro and Loot Boxes
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You don’t have to outright force it for it to be predatory - playing on childrens’ lack of impulse control is extremely predatory.



That's the parents' responsibility.

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I don't understand those of you who are anti-government on principle - part of the function of government is to mitigate and prevent scummy, exploitative behavior.


When absolutely necessary, yes. This isn't that, it's people with low willpower and/or parents that don't want to take the 10 minutes required to make sure their credit card info isn't set up in their kid's game (and/or hold them accountable for purchasing crap without permission).

With that, this bill is the poster child for nanny-state legislation.


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Bard
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re: U.S. Senator Introduces Bill to Ban Pay to Win Micro and Loot Boxes
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The real question is why are grown men on here arguing for gambling


We're not, we're arguing for market self-determination as well as arguing against government interference due to parents being unwilling to be a more responsible parent.


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re: U.S. Senator Introduces Bill to Ban Pay to Win Micro and Loot Boxes
You can lace it with all of the moral BS to make it sound good, but you're still arguing to keep gambling where it has no right being.


Bard
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re: U.S. Senator Introduces Bill to Ban Pay to Win Micro and Loot Boxes
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You can't hover over your child 24/7


It's not about hovering, but it is about parenting. A parent should know every game their child is playing (primarily because the child shouldn't be able to install it without parental permission) and absolutely should not have the ability to buy things within the game without parental permission.

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teenagers (whose parents usually give them some type of financial responsibility/independence) also have impulse control issues.


Which teaches both the parent and teen a lesson, they both learn how responsible the teen is and the teen ends up learning a valuable lesson in impulse control (unless the parents make a habit of always bailing them out).

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In a perfect world, yes, parents would be better about preventing it. But we know that they're not so it means the government needs to pass legislation so parents don't have to worry so much about teaching their kids about personal responsibility.



Fixed.


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Bard
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re: U.S. Senator Introduces Bill to Ban Pay to Win Micro and Loot Boxes
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You can lace it with all of the moral BS to make it sound good, but you're still arguing to keep gambling where it has no right being.



Is buying a deck of Pokemon cards gambling? Is buying a box of cereal or Cracker Jacks in the hopes of getting a certain toy gambling? Shit, by this rationale we should require someone be an adult before playing with a jack-in-the-box because it's a "gamble" as to when the clown will pop up.

The only "moral BS" going on is from you and your ilk with your faux outrage over "gambling" when the reality is that you personally just get annoyed at the loot boxes cluttering your game and/or never winning that magical item you've been wanting. "Gambling" is just a weak, sad stab at trying to legitimize your personal gripes.


Centinel
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re: U.S. Senator Introduces Bill to Ban Pay to Win Micro and Loot Boxes
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Who in their right mind would rather throw money at a slot machine just to hope they get the item they want instead of being able to buy that item straight up out of the e-store? frick loot boxes. It's a shitty practice.


I agree 100%

That's still not a valid reason for government regulation.



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re: U.S. Senator Introduces Bill to Ban Pay to Win Micro and Loot Boxes
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Is buying a deck of Pokemon cards gambling? Is buying a box of cereal or Cracker Jacks in the hopes of getting a certain toy gambling?
Not even remotely the same as you are guaranteed to at least get product you didn't have that you can either resell/collect or nourish your body with. Games like Rocket League, you get a duplicate item you already had? Tough, you just threw your money out the window.

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just get annoyed at the loot boxes cluttering your game and/or never winning that magical item you've been wanting.
Or it's a shitty practice that promotes devs to lock all of the high-quality content behind a paywall that you aren't even guaranteed to get even if you do pay.

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"Gambling" is just a weak, sad stab at trying to legitimize your personal gripes.

Gambling is exactly what it is and you're in absolute denial if you think otherwise.


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