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Drewbie
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re: U.S. Senator Introduces Bill to Ban Pay to Win Micro and Loot Boxes
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Gambling: --It's no more gambling than trading cards or buying a box of Cracker Jacks

The gambling commissions across multiple countries disagree.

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Again, the focusing on this particular terminology is
You mean the focus on what words actually mean instead of trying to shoehorn your awful take into my wording?

Supporting is not the same as begging on this or any other planet.


So far you've shown that you aren't even educated enough on the subject to know all of the practices involved with lootboxes and their after-market value, don't know the differences in definitions between basic english words, and are perfectly ok with pixelized slot machines being readily available in a kid's daily hobby.

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re: U.S. Senator Introduces Bill to Ban Pay to Win Micro and Loot Boxes
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Eventually though the consumer base moved on due to other options and due to what I can only describe as the building up of tolerance to the "fun" of playing the game to the point where it was no longer worth paying $.25 to start or continue a game. 


Or they moved on because having a personal console became a reality


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Centinel
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re: U.S. Senator Introduces Bill to Ban Pay to Win Micro and Loot Boxes
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The gambling commissions across multiple countries disagree.



You've stated this multiple times. Mind linking your source?


Drewbie
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re: U.S. Senator Introduces Bill to Ban Pay to Win Micro and Loot Boxes
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Mind linking your source?
Of course. Because I use facts not feelings.

Belgium

Denmark gambling commission rules that loot boxes are gambling if items are tradeable 2 years ago.
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Centinel
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re: U.S. Senator Introduces Bill to Ban Pay to Win Micro and Loot Boxes
Those aren't the US. European laws are irrelevant.



Drewbie
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This American enough for you?

So just from what I've linked that makes the United States, Denmark, Belgium, Australia, and The Netherlands that have gotten either gambling commissions or federal bodies involved in the investigation of loot boxes.
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Centinel
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re: U.S. Senator Introduces Bill to Ban Pay to Win Micro and Loot Boxes
Are you honestly making the claim the European legal decisions matter here in the US?

And an investigation is not a ruling that loot boxes are gambling, which is what you stated.

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Drewbie
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And an investigation is not a ruling that loot boxes are gambling
That investigation was 6 months ago, now we have a bill proposing a ban. How do you think that investigation is going?

For someone that loves to preach about context, you sure are bad at picking up on contextual clues.


Centinel
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re: U.S. Senator Introduces Bill to Ban Pay to Win Micro and Loot Boxes
You stated this:

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Wrong again. The gambling commission ruled that it's gambling as long as the items are tradeable.


So which gambling commission here in the United States ruled that it's gambling?



Drewbie
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So which gambling commission here in the United States ruled that it's gambling?
Where did I say it was in the United States?

It's coming soon enough. You can gnash your teeth while you hold your rebel flag tightly screaming GOVERNMENT BAD while it happens.
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Centinel
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re: U.S. Senator Introduces Bill to Ban Pay to Win Micro and Loot Boxes
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That investigation was 6 months ago, now we have a bill proposing a ban. How do you think that investigation is going?


The FTC isn't the one proposing the ban. And they have yet to issue a finding.

I thought you said you deal in facts?



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Centinel
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re: U.S. Senator Introduces Bill to Ban Pay to Win Micro and Loot Boxes
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Where did I say it was in the United States?



Why should I care about the definition of gambling in Europe? We don't live in Europe.
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Drewbie
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re: U.S. Senator Introduces Bill to Ban Pay to Win Micro and Loot Boxes
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Why does a ruling outside of the United States have to do with anything in the United States?
The United States is already questioning the legitimacy of them on their own. Add that to other established countries also finding them to be unlawful to have in the exact same video games that are being investigated here, and it looks like you just have a bad take. Sorry there are so many things going against you :(


Centinel
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re: U.S. Senator Introduces Bill to Ban Pay to Win Micro and Loot Boxes
So in other words, loot boxes are not considered gambling here in the US and you were wrong with your statement.




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Drewbie
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re: U.S. Senator Introduces Bill to Ban Pay to Win Micro and Loot Boxes
It's gambling and will be governed accordingly when legislative procedure is complete.
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Centinel
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re: U.S. Senator Introduces Bill to Ban Pay to Win Micro and Loot Boxes
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It's gambling


No, it's not. We just went over this. You are wrong. Period.

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and will be governed accordingly when legislative procedure is complete


You're assuming the Senator's bill will pass.



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re: U.S. Senator Introduces Bill to Ban Pay to Win Micro and Loot Boxes
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The gambling commissions across multiple countries disagree.



Please show in US federal law where purchasing something that is guaranteed to give you something in return (regardless of value) is considered gambling. The closest you'll find is 31 U.S. Code § 5362 (1).

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(A) means the staking or risking by any person of something of value upon the outcome of a contest of others, a sporting event, or a game subject to chance, upon an agreement or understanding that the person or another person will receive something of value in the event of a certain outcome;


This is a purchase of a good (in this case it's electronic), not a stake or risking of something of value.

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(B) includes the purchase of a chance or opportunity to win a lottery or other prize (which opportunity to win is predominantly subject to chance);


Loot boxes aren't chances to win, you will always win something. While you are hoping to win the BFG9000, you will win something. The law doesn't differentiate "what I want" versus "what I don't want".


Drewbie
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re: U.S. Senator Introduces Bill to Ban Pay to Win Micro and Loot Boxes
Please refer to my above post.


Centinel
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re: U.S. Senator Introduces Bill to Ban Pay to Win Micro and Loot Boxes
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Please refer to my above post.


The above post where I pointed out you were 100% wrong?



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